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[Spyder Rocket]

Yeah, he should come out as gay and then tell her he only wants to have sex with people who look like women, that ought to confuse her, more than my plan.

There seems to be a lot of confusion about that sort of thing on this forum. Maybe some guy like Sigmund Freud knows if sucking ladyboy cock makes you gay or not.

[jonnieb]

There seems to be a lot of confusion about that sort of thing on this forum. Maybe some guy like Sigmund Freud knows if sucking ladyboy cock makes you gay or not.

I don't think it takes a Freud to figure that one out.

[Spyder Rocket]

I don't think it takes a Freud to figure that one out.

Actually, it kind of does, or at least someone who isn't in denial.

[baldieboy]

After so many months of being a BM of this incredible forum, I finally have booked my flight for start of August to BKK. It will be my first trip to LOS of course and my second potential chance to encounter a LB meet. However there is a BIG problem

I'll be accompanied by my wife and it'll be actually our second honeymoon. Although I've only booked my flight so far I haven't booked any guest house or hotel as yet.

So now if you were at my place, what would you do to arrange a LB encounter without giving any suspicion to wife?

Thanks

Theseus

 

Why people make this such a big deal? Havin sex isn't any different from jerking off to pics or video if you do it safely and plan well enough so there's no chance getting caught. It's cheating and it's a change of mind set, your wife is no longer the sexiest thing on this planet, it already happened, internet f...ed up ur mind already, you can embrace it or try to suffocate it, but it happened already. Welcome to the club. About practicalities: be sure not to smell like parfume, but most importantly don't smell like rubber, that you can't explain away so easily. And I don't mean not using it.. About the necessary distraction: don't do this thing in a time frame of one hour or so, plan well, you need a few hours, half a day or so or it's too busy to enjoy fully. And I don't mean you have to bang half a day, you need to relax, clean up, have a cigarette and feel good about it and feel safe about it and get back into the hi my lovely wife let's enjoy finer things in life mind set back again. If you love your wife, you plan well. If you find yourself running out on every possible occasion, it's over sooner or later. It's a dilemma because these ladyboys at the end of the day are pretty empty headed whores with terrible english and no idea what's happening in the world and their main interest outside havin sex with farang is gayporn. If you need somebody by your side for the rest of your life, it's not going to be a ladyboy. Fuck em, forget em, and don't get caught.

[Spyder Rocket]

I don't know why I find this thread so interesting; perhaps it is the insanity of the idea.

I could care less about making any moral judgements, that is largely irrelevant to me.

What I find amusing is the idea of cheating on one's honeymoon, it is a ridiculous idea and the chances of getting caught are enormous.

[baldieboy]

^ Technically I think he can pull it off, it's not rocket science to cheat, everyone does it. And it was second honeymoon, not first. But I also find it amusing that OP is "so in love" with his wife and really wants do this. Something does not add up. OP is at crossroads, or perhaps taken the ladyboy street already. I bet he will get caught more likely at home because of LB videos on computer or somethin like that. What I'm sayin is that in the long run this perfect marriage with wifey and fantasizing and fucking LBs will not work. I know from experience. If the marriage is 20 years old who cares, but for new relationship I don't think so.

Tasting the real thing will not give relief, the addiction will get much worse. And perverted. :-)

Good luck living the perfect life in two different worlds. It will be extremely difficult to maintain both. It's about what you value most in life. If you choose LB world, you need to be prepared that you can lose "the normal life".

[Spyder Rocket]

^ Technically I think he can pull it off, it's not rocket science to cheat, everyone does it. And it was second honeymoon, not first. But I also find it amusing that OP is "so in love" with his wife and really wants do this. Something does not add up. OP is at crossroads, or perhaps taken the ladyboy street already. I bet he will get caught more likely at home because of LB videos on computer or somethin like that. What I'm sayin is that in the long run this perfect marriage with wifey and fantasizing and fucking LBs will not work. I know from experience. If the marriage is 20 years old who cares, but for new relationship I don't think so.
Tasting the real thing will not give relief, the addiction will get much worse. And perverted. :-)
Good luck living the perfect life in two different worlds. It will be extremely difficult to maintain both. It's about what you value most in life. If you choose LB world, you need to be prepared that you can lose "the normal life".

I agree with most of what you are saying here, except that I think it is extremely high risk to cheat on a vacation, especially on a vacation to Thailand.

Unless his wife is a complete idiot, she will be extremely suspicious about any "alone time" during the trip.

I still say he should bring his wife into the fun, or just get a divorce. He can have so much more fun in Thailand if he is honest with himself and the wife.

Life is too short to spend it sneaking around. All that shit about extra shirts, perfume, and gasoline is complete nonsense.

When I think about his situation, I can only conclude that he will be much happier if he sits the wife down for a long honest talk.

I also agree that if he does get to sample a ladyboy, it will only make him want them more. What you said earlier about "it has already happened" is so true. His marriage is already on "life support" and it is just a matter of time before it dies.

I think he should pull the plug on the marriage and get on with life, or introduce his wife to kinky sex with ladyboys.

The repercussions of trying to lead a double life are much worse than just being honest.

[veveron]

I agree with most of what you are saying here, except that I think it is extremely high risk to cheat on a vacation, especially on a vacation to Thailand.

Unless his wife is a complete idiot, she will be extremely suspicious about any "alone time" during the trip.

I still say he should bring his wife into the fun, or just get a divorce. He can have so much more fun in Thailand if he is honest with himself and the wife.

Life is too short to spend it sneaking around. All that shit about extra shirts, perfume, and gasoline is complete nonsense.

When I think about his situation, I can only conclude that he will be much happier if he sits the wife down for a long honest talk.

I also agree that if he does get to sample a ladyboy, it will only make him want them more. What you said earlier about "it has already happened" is so true. His marriage is already on "life support" and it is just a matter of time before it dies.

I think he should pull the plug on the marriage and get on with life, or introduce his wife to kinky sex with ladyboys.

The repercussions of trying to lead a double life are much worse than just being honest.

Actually the person who said the thing about the gasoline was dead serious, and I think it shows the clear divide in thinking here. He retired 4 years after I started, had kept dozens of mistresses, and while I can't say for sure, I don't think his wife of 50 years knew anything of it when he died.

 

I think it shows, that for some people, they can love 1 or 2 and fuck many, and if the people they happen to love are women, then successful deception is the only route that will truly keep her happy as about 0% of women don't get jealous. Hell bargirls I've been with for awhile act sullen if 3somes are brought up,  "why you want other lady?"

 

Not that it doesn't go both ways, and that always suprises me, I've heard two stories just this week, one from gg and one from a lb, about jealous boyfriends.

 

Maybe if they're in an S&M relationship the ideal of telling her would work.

[Spyder Rocket]

Actually the person who said the thing about the gasoline was dead serious, and I think it shows the clear divide in thinking here. He retired 4 years after I started, had kept dozens of mistresses, and while I can't say for sure, I don't think his wife of 50 years knew anything of it when he died.
 
I think it shows, that for some people, they can love 1 or 2 and fuck many, and if the people they happen to love are women, then successful deception is the only route that will truly keep her happy as about 0% of women don't get jealous. Hell bargirls I've been with for awhile act sullen if 3somes are brought up,  "why you want other lady?"
 
Not that it doesn't go both ways, and that always suprises me, I've heard two stories just this week, one from gg and one from a lb, about jealous boyfriends.
 
Maybe if they're in an S&M relationship the ideal of telling her would work.

I should have explained myself better.

I'll agree that there are few women that would go for threesomes, but my thinking was that telling the wife about his attraction to LBs would be a timesaver.

How would that save time?

It would end an already doomed marriage much earlier and let him get on with life; plus, on the off chance that she went for it, he could have some fun out in the open.

However, like I said earlier, when a couple starts adding outside partners, it usually means that the relationship is in the end phase.

As for your acquaintance that successfully cheated for 50 years, to each his own, but I could not live my life like that.

All that sneaking around would drive me nuts.

I understand that people think differently, but to me, that would be living like a coward.

Too afraid to be honest to yourself and too afraid to be honest to the person you took an oath to be loyal and faithful to.

Not everyone is cut out for marriage, and life is far too short to waste it sneaking around.

[veveron]

I understand that people think differently, but to me, that would be living like a coward.

Too afraid to be honest to yourself and too afraid to be honest to the person you took an oath to be loyal and faithful to.

Not everyone is cut out for marriage, and life is far too short to waste it sneaking around.

I completely understand the other things you said, being honest is good common sense advise, I just happen not to be good

 

But on that last part it seems a bit Pollyanna, men cheat, and it doesn't mean they want a divorce. The gentleman I mentioned was just one example, but thinking about it now it's harder to be sure if anyone doing the SE Asia contracts wasn't cheating on their wives. I mean it doesn't seem as common around here, maybe because of the whole gay or not issue, but other forums have threads about things like buying cheap phones so your wife won't see all the numbers or why your call log was erased, having different fb pages, if escorts save time over bargirls on short business trips, ect.

 

I bet we could both agree this honeymoon caper sounds a bit nuts though?

[Spyder Rocket]

I completely understand the other things you said, being honest is good common sense advise, I just happen not to be good

But on that last part it seems a bit Pollyanna, men cheat, and it doesn't mean they want a divorce. The gentleman I mentioned was just one example, but thinking about it now it's harder to be sure if anyone doing the SE Asia contracts wasn't cheating on their wives. I mean it doesn't seem as common around here, maybe because of the whole gay or not issue, but other forums have threads about things like buying cheap phones so your wife won't see all the numbers or why your call log was erased, having different fb pages, if escorts save time over bargirls on short business trips, ect.

I bet we could both agree this honeymoon caper sounds a bit nuts though?

LOL at your usage of Pollyanna !

I'm thinking of it from the perspective of freedom. Marriage can be very burdensome if it isn't with the right person. I have no qualms about fucking a married woman, I'll cheat with someone else's wife, but I never want to cheat on my own wife. For me, it isn't so much a moral issue, it is not wanting to feel afraid to do something as basic as having sex.

I also never want to put myself in a position of having to think up alibis, carry extra phones, or any of that other shit just to get laid. I've been there, and done that. Never again.

The logistics of being a cheating husband are too much of a hassle for me. It is much simpler just to be honest with myself. Perhaps you can see why I don't see myself getting married again.

I think the OP needs to ask himself the following question.

Do you want to be married, or do you want to be free to go to Thailand and fuck ladyboys?

If the answer is yes to both, well, he has got to find the courage to make it happen. If a person truly values their relationship, they wouldn't put it on the line for a quick piece of ass. On the obverse side of the coin, is his sexual freedom. Only he can decide if it is worth sacrificing for his wife.

In my Pollyanna world view, if I was in a relationship with a woman that I loved, but I was unfulfilled sexually, I would damn sure talk to her about it.

Yes, I can imagine telling my wife that I am attracted to ladyboys.

What I can't imagine, is booking a second honeymoon trip, and then, sneaking out of a BKK hotel room in the middle of the night to run down to Nana Plaza to bang a ladyboy while my wife slept. Too me, that sounds like a scenario that is completely out of touch with reality, perhaps it isn't Pollyanna, but it is out of touch with reality.

[Spyder Rocket]

I have been rather hard on thesesus6969.

So, in the interest of trying to help him, I put forth the following scenario:

First, forget about spending the second honeymoon in BKK. It isn't a typical honeymoon location, there are lots of cool things to see and do, but it is a grimy big city.

Book a stay in either Phuket or Pattaya, but I think Phuket is a bit more plausible location for a second honeymoon that has ladyboys.

Go out one night and start plying your wife with tequila shots. Then go to a bar like C&D that has a cabaret show and lots of LBs that mingle with the customers.

Keep the alcohol flowing, but don't drink as much as the wifey. Also, ring the bell a few times to get the LBs in the mood. When the wifey goes to the restroom, ask a couple of the LBs to get flirtatious with your wife. Try to get her posing for a few goofy pictures with the LBs.

All the while, you are judging her reaction to see if she is at all turned on by the LBs. If she isn't giving off positive vibes, you'll have to abort, but if she responds, keep it going.

You'll have to walk a fine line of being subtle, avoid being too pushy or over eager, but you still have to guide and influence what is going on, as subtlety as possible. However, at some point you will have to escalate the frisky play in the bar, to a full on sexual encounter in the ST rooms.

Ideally, you don't want it to seem like it was your idea, but you do want to convey that you think it is hot as hell that she is playing with the LBs.

If you can surreptitiously manage getting an LB to ask your wife for a bar fine, try that. Just laugh like hell at the prospect, and then say, "go for it, honey!"

If not, just ask her if she thinks the the LBs are sexy. Then say that you know it sounds crazy, but you'd like to see her do it with a ladyboy.

At that point, you'll have to determine if she is too freaked out to push it further or not.

Pulling that scenario off depends on a number of factors.

1) You need to be outgoing, charismatic, and fun loving. If you are normally a "stick in the mud" or a passive person, I doubt you can pull it off. However, if there was ever a reason to come out of your shell, and have fun, a vacation is the perfect time to do it.

2) Your wife needs to be somewhat hot, if she is ashamed of her body or has low self-esteem, it will make it more unlikely. If so, start making your wife feel good about herself, now.

I know that scenario may seem a little unrealistic to some, but I think it is a hell of a lot more plausible than your initial idea of booking a room near Nana Plaza, and then slipping out in the middle of the night. In my mind, that idea is down right pathetic.

The benefit of the scenario that I just sketched, even if it doesn't result in both of you fucking a LB, it opens the door to a conversation about you being sexually unfulfilled.

If you are still reading this, I hope to hear some more of your thoughts on the previous three pages of discussion. It really is a fascinating thread that you started.