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[yung havok]

Nothing wrong with honesty. I once planned on taking a girl from cascade bar for 10 days to Cambodia with me, I agreed I was going to give her 1000 baht a day, I would've given her more after it was all said and done , but paying cascade bar 2o0 dollars for this was a deal breaker, I don't give a flying shit about Cascade bar.

[rxpharm]

Mardhi's explanation is correct. If you plan on taking a lady for an extended period and are upfront that you won't pay the barfine during the time she's away from the bar - then it is up to her if she will pay it herself on her return to the bar or refuse to go with the customer. The problem arises when a customer doesn't understand this upfront and refuses to pay after the fact. In the past some bars would promote a "lifetime" barfine for customers who had a favorite girl. For a set high sum - something like 100,000 Baht, the customer could take the girl out for as long and often as he wanted (if she agreed), and she wouldn't have to pay the regular barfine on her return. I don't know if this is still in practice and I doubt many punters went for this option.

Many bars have quotas for the salaried girls - if they don't make them for the number of lady drinks/barfines per month it is deducted from their salary.

anthony70 do you know Thailand holiday regulations? I am pretty sure that the holiday time in LOS is much LESS than UK and most other western countries. It's doubtful a bar would follow those anyway. I remember that in the past bargirls had 2 days off per month - not sure if that has changed recently, and something a week or two of holidays per year. This is far different from the situation you come from.

As for not giving a thought about the bar - understandable for the bars that don't give a good atmosphere for the customers - but you also need to remember without the bars, you would have a difficult time meeting the p4p lbs.

I have paid the barfine in the past for a week or two, but I would pay the amount out (including the agreed fee for her company) on a daily basis.

[Legend]

Frankly i find the term "I couldn't give a fuck about the bar" utterly despicable.

well you would do, as you are a good bar owner and we all love you.
dont take this thread personal, it is not directed at you. just to start some lively discussion.

but do i care about the owners of linda, pooks, cascades etc.....
do i fuck.

interesting though, how everyone is siding with the bar, and not the lb,s.

" but you also need to remember without the bars, you would have a difficult time meeting the p4p lbs".

i doubt it.

[sev7en]

I wouldent give a rats ass if I took a girl away long term from example Cascades in BKK..a bar with a general pissy attitude & no customer care what so ever..I feel I owe them nothing,they probably owe me plenty8

Exactly.

But.. with a smaller venue such as C&D

Here the barowner is a nice guy, more like a friend, compared to the repulsive Nana mamasans, it´s a different situation which i´m sure can be negotiated with Jim to both parties satisfaction.

[sev7en]

Another way to look at it is if you take a girl out for a couple of weeks and pay the bar fine how much are we really talking about compared to the overall cost of your trip, only a small percentage

See, theres the difference i think many posters forget. Quite few of the posters here are not 2 week millionaires were a 2 week BF won´t make any difference to the total cost of the holiday.

But if you live in Thailand theres hardly any need to pay a daily barfine, unless you must have the most popular lb from a popular bar. I´m sure you can find a nice companion without obligations to a bar.
Big Nancy is probably a great example. She bangin round bars in Patts, and i doubt she comes with a barfine. Now theres bang and cock for you bucks

- but you also need to remember without the bars, you would have a difficult time meeting the p4p lbs.

Absolutely not, rx.

[jimbo34]

well you would do, as you are a good bar owner and we all love you.
dont take this thread personal, it is not directed at you. just to start some lively discussion.

but do i care about the owners of linda, pooks, cascades etc.....
do i fuck.

interesting though, how everyone is siding with the bar, and not the lb,s.

Well its a shame you weren't a little more specific in your original post, Anthony, as i instantly bristled, when i saw it, and took deep offence.

However, i have to agree about the likes of Linda Bar, Pooks etc.

Also, there aren't sides in this. I find our girls at least, very compliant with our rules about barfines. And its management's fault that we haven't been a little more demanding of them. A hangover from the past i think, combined with NingNong's "kindness". As long as the rules are fair to all parties, there's no reason why everybody shouldn't cooperate with the ("good") bars.

The reason for my rant about Donut, was because the guy has taken her away from the bar for a month, at an extremely low barfine, and not even put his head round the door to say hello, and buy a few beers. But not his fault, (or the girl's) that we haven't been adequately compensated. Something we are reviewing now, and some of the comments on here have been most helpful in arriving at a sensible decision.

[Legend]

Well its a shame you weren't a little more specific in your original post, Anthony, as i instantly bristled, when i saw it, and took deep offence.

fair enough, you are the ONLY bar owner who posts out in the general section, so only you will ever take offence from any postings.
the discussion is a valid one, and nothing personal.

[Legend]

However, i have to agree about the likes of Linda Bar, Pooks etc.

interesting.

[mardhi]

Nothing wrong with honesty. I once planned on taking a girl from cascade bar for 10 days to Cambodia with me, I agreed I was going to give her 1000 baht a day, I would've given her more after it was all said and done , but paying cascade bar 2o0 dollars for this was a deal breaker, I don't give a flying shit about Cascade bar.

Probably built into her agreeing the 1000b day offer was that you would pay the barfine and probably ensure she nearly covered her entire months barfine requirement - thus ensuring she earnt her 9,000b salary. (i.e. she gets the 10,000b from you + the 9,000b salary, not including any other barfine income, drink income, tips etc on the other 20 nights remaining in the month. I personally could not imagine any of the 1st division team in Cascade agreeing to those terms but quite possible for one who always struggled to hit her targets (and thus ends up working for virtually nothing) it would be like they had hit gold. All bets would be off of course if it was one of the Cambodian girls - they would probably just like the chance for someone to pay their ticket.

However what I can assure you is that (salaried) bars are ruthless in applying cuts for staff who do not turn up for work, or who turn up late - They have to be as the staff, lets face it, are working as hostesses and and not exactly adverse to spinning a few white lies when it suits them. If she had gone with you, she would have had to re-pay 6,000b to Cascade before they allowed her to resume work.

Cheers
Mardhi

[dixon cox]

It is interesting to see that this subject isn't so 'obvious and simple' afterall, as was suggested by some in the C&Ds thread when this topic first arose.

The rules for patronising a bar and taking a girl away for one or two nights should be clear to the majority, but not so when taking her away for extended periods of time.

The punter is under no obligation what-so-ever to set foot in the bar where she works, if he chooses not to, as it can all be arranged through the girl. He should not be vilified for making that choice.

So, so long as the girls are fully aware of their own bar rules then there is never an issue for the punter, as the onus is on her to negotiate and be compensated accordingly, by the punter, to offset any potential fines or loss of income during her "punter's holiday". It's not just money for her time and anus and she should know that and be responsible for knowing it.

If she were to then turn round to him at the end of the "punter's holiday" and tell him that he now owes her 'x' amount more for bar-fines, over and above what she initially agreed for her time, then I'd have zero sympathy for her when he refuses.

The girls should be made aware, by the bar, that it is their responsibilty to make the punter aware of all costs up-front. You cannot blame the punter for not knowing or avoiding it if it is not made clear to him, as you then rely on his scruples alone to determine whether to pay or not.

[sev7en]

OK, how bout this one? I was asked to pay 50 k bath to a lb working the FamilyBar business. She wanted to quit the scene and "be " with me. I don´t know how many barfines i paid during that time, but it was well over 10, plus i payed her as we went along, meals , shopping etc. When they put pressure on her to come with 50 k , i decided to stop getting fucked in the ass (pardon the pun), and told her either go back to work or stop bothering me for 50 k.

[jimbo34]

The punter is under no obligation what-so-ever to set foot in the bar where she works, if he chooses not to, as it can all be arranged through the girl. He should not be vilified for making that choice.

Well that sounds ok,but apart from the likes of me taking it as bad manners, what happens if it all goes pear-shaped? Suppose there's a question of theft, or "non - delivery" in the bedroom? Who's he going to come running to?
How much sympathy is he going to get if he's never shown his face in the bar?