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[Legend]

Following on from a recent discussion , how do people see the rules regarding taking an lb out of the bar for a long time / holiday.
whilst nobody can dispute the bar loses money if a customer takes her away from the bar, but should she really be expected to work 365 days without any holidays either.?
its not like the bar have to give holiday pay.

if you took one for two or three nights, i think most people think it fair enough to pay the bar fine, but what about two or three weeks.?
would you.?

[batman4ever]

Following on from a recent discussion , how do people see the rules regarding taking an lb out of the bar for a long time / holiday.
whilst nobody can dispute the bar loses money if a customer takes her away from the bar, but should she really be expected to work 365 days without any holidays either.?
its not like the bar have to give holiday pay.

if you took one for two or three nights, i think most people think it fair enough to pay the bar fine, but what about two or three weeks.?
would you.?

what is your own wiev on this...??

to me...well its no secret what i do...and i pay..... but gotta admit i also put in some money in that bar

[Legend]

what is your own wiev on this...??

ive never done it .
but personally, i couldnt give a fuck about the bar. i wouldnt pay it.
in my experience, the bar may spit the dummy at the time, but they soon let the girl return to fill the till up once again.
no harm done.

[redeye]

I disagree Anthony. The fact is that the bar loses considerably more if the girl is not there as she does not have a customer with her buying drinks. It really doesn't mater if we like it or not the fact is those are the rules and we should pay the bar fine whilst I'm sure your right that the bar probably would take her back later anyway it no doubt would go against her anyway and possibly cause I'll feeling at her bar. As to holidays I don't see that it's up to us to make judgements on this based on our standards as with many things it's different over there.

Another way to look at it is if you take a girl out for a couple of weeks and pay the bar fine how much are we really talking about compared to the overall cost of your trip, only a small percentage

[Legend]

The fact is that the bar loses considerably more if the girl is not there as she does not have a customer with her buying drinks.

and if your wife took you on holiday, your employer in your country would lose income whilst you are away.
shit happens, its only for a couple of weeks,
as i said, you cant expect people to work 365.

[mardhi]

what is your own wiev on this...??

ive never done it .
but personally, i couldnt give a fuck about the bar. i wouldnt pay it.
in my experience, the bar may spit the dummy at the time, but they soon let the girl return to fill the till up once again.
no harm done.

It would also depend where she is taken from - if its a salary bar - then if she does not turn up she will simply be docked the barfine amount for each day she is 'missing' from her salary. If its a full month she physically has to pay to go back to work - that is a fairly standard operating system in P4P bars and normally capped at 10,000b - it is enforced to ensure that others don't think they can get away with it. No different really to any other job.

If It is a bar where she freelances then not much can come off it as she don't get a salary for turning up in the first place.

[mardhi]

The fact is that the bar loses considerably more if the girl is not there as she does not have a customer with her buying drinks.

and if your wife took you on holiday, your employer in your country would lose income whilst you are away.
shit happens, its only for a couple of weeks,
as i said, you cant expect people to work 365.

Lets face it its not really a holiday is it - at least for the girl - she is still expecting to be getting paid in some form or another. That payment maybe in the form of a monthly retainer or whatever, but she will still be expected to wear 6" heels, dolled up in make-up, wear similar clothes to the bar and provide activities on demand when the guy wants it and essentially to do what he wants to do. A holiday is when they go home alone to Nakhon knowhere and actually enjoy themselves, sleeping, eating, sleeping, eating, getting drunk, sleeping etc etc. Its similar but not quite the same especially in their minds - she will be thinking she is still 'on the clock' and she will want suitable compensation for what other income she has missed out on.

[trousersnake]

A man has the right to ask a bargirl/lb to come away on a break with him and tell her he is not paying the bar. If she still wants to come after he has confirmed he will not be paying the barfine that is not the guys problem. It is between the hooker and the bar. The bar manager can sack the girl if he wants. Everyone makes decisions and if a girl decides to go somewhere with a bar that his her decision and nothing to do with the punter.

[MrDragon]

I wouldent give a rats ass if I took a girl away long term from example Cascades in BKK..a bar with a general pissy attitude & no customer care what so ever..I feel I owe them nothing,they probably owe me plenty.. so to me,its simply the chosen girls choice what to do. Come along or stay..

But.. with a smaller venue such as C&D (example)..I would be straight & pay up any extra cost. There it comes down to a more personal,friendly level with the owners & also how very good they treat me as a customer,thats atleast how I see it.

[jimbo34]

Frankly i find the term "I couldn't give a fuck about the bar" utterly despicable. There are some of us, and i include Guess, Famous, So What/Lucky Love, la Bamba etc who try to provide a warm, friendly, and helpful atmosphere for our customers, and to be treated with that sort of attitude is demonstrative of the worst kind of customer behaviour.

We also support the forums and their members in many ways, answering queries, even helping with hotel bookings etc, advice on where to go, what to do, and so on. Yes, it is "free" promotion, but it works well for both sides.

However, i absolutely have sympathy with the selective attitude that Pentire, and one or two others have mentioned. Why should you "give a fuck" with certain bars that just try and empty your pockets, with minimal sevice (my personal gripe is Pooks Bars, where in the past, i have spent good money, but now get treated with disdain, even hostility!).

Mardhi's comments about salaried staff and freelancers, is bang on the money.

Following my rant on the C & D thread, and the many comments that followed, we are reviewing our policy and i'm grateful for the thought-provoking comments many of you have made. Some good has come from this discussion despite my initial anger at the guy who long-termed Donut.

[pacman]

I was absolutely shocked to read that one of the forum guys could say such a thing. I hope he reconsiders & removes his comment before he pisses off every other bar owner on here.

When I think of all those guys who many of us can call a friend, to announce to the world that you couldn't give a fuck about their bar, why on earth should they give a fuck about him?

It's a sad reflection on anyone that they need to express such contempt on the net. I hope he is not planning a trip to Phuket, his host may be less than hospitable.