Give the guy a cigar. When I posted I was trying to give some good sound advice - you can buy a house here for under 2 million and you can buy my friends house in Phuket for 45 million.
My post is a guidleline - buying a house is part of the cost
House/condo - 4 to 5 million
Set up company to buy house or in case of Condo management charge 50K
Car 1 million
Guarantee in bank for retirement visa (no pension and no guaranteed income) 1 million
Moving costs
Furniture
Insurance - medical/house/car etc etc
I do not work for any agency nor do I charge for any advice but I have many years experience on relocation to foreign lands and to say "we paid 2.5 million" is misleading and naive. The idea of a forum is to provide good sound parameters. Oh by the way I can get Tiger for 25 baht a can - not 33. Meaningless info!!!
Get the point?
If we are going to get granular I refuse to give any free advice - if you can prove me wrong you get a cigar. Never underestimate costs when moving countries - it results in misery for everyone.
As McCawber says in Dickens book - Annula Income 1 pund annual expenditure 19 shillings and sixpence happiness - annual income one pound annual expenditure one pound and sixpence - MISERY
Behind The Smile.....A Farang Residents View !
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Posted 13 April 2007 - 11:56 PM
rossco, i sure appreciate the info. Very interesting stuff, thanks.
Never underestimate costs to move abroad is so true. It adds up so quick. I have done it and i miscalculated my budget with about 100%.
Never underestimate costs to move abroad is so true. It adds up so quick. I have done it and i miscalculated my budget with about 100%.
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Probably the best thread of the month in my view however, it is a bit Off Topic so far as Ladyboys are concerned so I shall move it there in to that section 
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Posted 14 April 2007 - 08:09 AM
Really helpful advice here, thanks, and great to see people trying to help others.
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Posted 14 April 2007 - 03:48 PM
the points for posts system certainly has generaed a lot of useless threads in the forums, however this is not one of them, great efforts.
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Posted 15 April 2007 - 12:40 AM
Do not get "involved" unless you mean to - they take relationships seriously after only a short courtship. They then demand unyielding loyalty which they also give in return.
Thai gals is the best liars I seen(ahh after Phillipinas). Dont you ever trust any of them including "good gilrs" for 100%.
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Posted 17 April 2007 - 04:41 PM
good to know........local, laws/customs etc etc...ignorance can get you killed
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Posted 13 April 2007 - 02:27 AM
There's a lot of fucked up stuff here in Thailand. Don't get the idea that all is swell and good because you can fly in, have a good time, and fly out and everyone smiled the whole time. I live here, and I can tell you a lot of the shine wears off pretty quickly.
It's not just the military government, the religious movement is very strong here (Buddhists). So, the "moral" move was on before the military took over. The Buddhists are pressuring the government to crack down more and more on alcohol use and sale, and there's no telling if they'll take their battle elsewhere. I would venture to say that, like in most countries, the legislators are more wiling to tackle an issue like alcohol rather than try to really do something substantive and improve the people's quality of life.
The latest move on alcohol is to ban all advertising, including the beer girls at many restaurants (though they're still there, the name of the beer is not supposed to be on the dress). Also, you can't buy alcohol in a supermarket from 2-5pm. I thought there was supposed to be a similar ban in regards to bars and restaurants, but not sure about that (obviously it's not being enforced in the nana area!). Anyway, be careful what you do here and you'll be fine. But don't think you'll be treated nicely if you run afoul of the law.
One other issue, most of you know the position the king holds in Thai society. A swiss living in Chiang Mai, had been here 10 years, got drunk and spray painted over several public portraits of the king. He just got ten years in prison for this. He may have been better off being lynched on the spot than having to do ten years in a Thai prison.
It's not just the military government, the religious movement is very strong here (Buddhists). So, the "moral" move was on before the military took over. The Buddhists are pressuring the government to crack down more and more on alcohol use and sale, and there's no telling if they'll take their battle elsewhere. I would venture to say that, like in most countries, the legislators are more wiling to tackle an issue like alcohol rather than try to really do something substantive and improve the people's quality of life.
The latest move on alcohol is to ban all advertising, including the beer girls at many restaurants (though they're still there, the name of the beer is not supposed to be on the dress). Also, you can't buy alcohol in a supermarket from 2-5pm. I thought there was supposed to be a similar ban in regards to bars and restaurants, but not sure about that (obviously it's not being enforced in the nana area!). Anyway, be careful what you do here and you'll be fine. But don't think you'll be treated nicely if you run afoul of the law.
One other issue, most of you know the position the king holds in Thai society. A swiss living in Chiang Mai, had been here 10 years, got drunk and spray painted over several public portraits of the king. He just got ten years in prison for this. He may have been better off being lynched on the spot than having to do ten years in a Thai prison.
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Posted 13 April 2007 - 03:49 AM
I remember when an mentally handicapped guy smashed up one of the Buddah statues near Patpong. Literally everyone who saw him do it jumped on him and they all publically beat him to death. Even the police did nothing, they just took away the dead body and no one was charged,
When I heard about this I noted to one Thai that I thought it was sad because he probably had no real concept of what he was doing. She look at my like I'd shat in her face, and said she would have helped them beat the life out of the poor guy.
Don't be scared by the story, but even if you don't share their undying admiration for the King and Buddhist icons, you need to be aware of this and show resepct, or at least keep you mouth shut and save your opions for the poor guy next to you on the flight home.
When I heard about this I noted to one Thai that I thought it was sad because he probably had no real concept of what he was doing. She look at my like I'd shat in her face, and said she would have helped them beat the life out of the poor guy.
Don't be scared by the story, but even if you don't share their undying admiration for the King and Buddhist icons, you need to be aware of this and show resepct, or at least keep you mouth shut and save your opions for the poor guy next to you on the flight home.
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Posted 13 April 2007 - 05:49 AM
BTW - The swiss guy just got a pardon from the Kingand is on his way home
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Posted 13 April 2007 - 03:22 PM
I had often thought about posting on this topic.
I have met some of you and have aired my views directly. This is all general information and not specifically applied to the LB scene but worth noting. I hope it helps those coming on holiday as well as those considering living here. I do have some financial planning info for those serious about moving here.
As a rough guide 10 million Baht to buy, move in to house/Condo get comfortable and buy decent set of wheels. Living costs later.
A few rules following member report from Bangkok I think.
Respect the King - including all images and that includes banknotes - if you desecrate a bank note you desecrate the King
Respect all Temples and Icons/Images - 2 reasons. Thai way and second you look like an ignorant asshole if you do not.
Respect ALL people. This is common sense but if you behave in the way that we can in the West you are a "buffalo" - I know many guys where all the ladies smile at them but none will go with him because he has proven himself to be one dumb, stupid, loud mouthed buffalo. You should hear soe of the conversations the girls have - they do not choose their words carefully. So you get drunk and act like an asshole - you may find your card marked.
This really applies to the main GG circuit but Lb's the same.
Never get into a agressive arguement. I saw a drunk UK guy in BKK trying to intimidate the bouncer at a club. The next thing is a knuckle duster appeared on the bouncers hand and 4 other Thais showed up. The guy was just sober enough to realise he was outplayed. The Thais smile a lot but when agitated take care. You argue with one and many appear out of the darkness. (LB's are the same). If you freelance you take a risk - Franck of 131 and Bob of Stringfellows have reputable staff.
Police - not same as the West. Everyone on the take and NEVER confront. You want to play and you are going to pay big time. No bail and no legal aid. I got stopped 4th Jan for going too fast (having just been overtaken by numerous bedhouin taxis) - Police guy said (literally) "Happy New Year Farang - 200 baht" I could not refuse.
Life is cheap here - for 5000 baht you can get someone "hit" - I mean it. Many stories of Farang upsetting Thai girlfriend or whatever - next thing he is dead or in hospital. They take revenge seriously.
Do not get "involved" unless you mean to - they take relationships seriously after only a short courtship. They then demand unyielding loyalty which they also give in return.
Holiday vs Resident. They love paperwork here and as a foreigner there are many restrictions that you never know about. Buying property. Thais do not trust lawyers - there is no law society to escalate problems/wrongdoings. There is a lot of BS advice.
Living cost. When you come her on vacation you have big bucks - say 3000 quid for a month - that is 210,000 baht. Average wage in Thailand for Thais is 5000 baht. A teacher will start at 6000 baht a month. Girl in restaurant or factory will do 7 days a week for 150 baht per day plus tips etc SO YOUR 210,000 is like monoploy money.
You really need to think in Baht and in their economic terms. Think in relative terms - your 5,000 baht is one months income. A lady drink is equivalent to one factory workers day's pay. Thais eat for 50 baht or less a day. Your meal at a restaurant is say 500 baht - three days pay. Get the idea - pricing/cost is a relative thing - you should try to think in local terms. So your 1000/1500 baht for long time is one weeks pay - that is why the sex industry is so bouyant NOT because you are so good looking!!
Most people working Pattaya do legitimately send money home - many families are dependent on their offspring working Pattaya. I know one lady has 2 kids 14 and 15 in her town. They live in a small house, on their own, while mom works 3 month stints in Pattaya. So, many of them have a genuine need for your money.
When resident here it is unlikely you will work - so can you afford the 3000 quid a month holiday budget money to retire here - probably not. Good news is that you can live here on 50,000/75,000 baht a month comfortably BUT you will not be able to butterfly nightly!
Try not to butterfly in the same bar - they do not like it. Again you will get all smiles BUT that is on the outside. Inside they lose face and that is a big no here - shame the principle does not exist in the West - society might be a bit more pleasant than currently.
When you live here you are always a "guest to the kingdom of Thailand" you have no rights and can be asked to leave at anytime.
Finally - Prostitution is illegal. Always pay the BF and deal separately for other service - the BF is to take the person from place of work - comp the bar.
Try and agree everything in advance ST/LT and cost. They always ask for Taxi fare as extra but up to you. If you agree everything in advance OK - if not you may find you have a little spitfire to deal with. Never pay in advance and my book says do not BF in advance and say I will come back later/tomorrow. If she get another offer she will take it - I know not everyone but as a general rule "pay as you go"
Now saying prostitution is illegal is amusing BECAUSE so are all Mobile food carts!!
The authorities have a dilemma. There are 85,000 ladies working Pattaya. No one pays tax. What would happen if they overnight cleaned up the sex trade. 85,000 people out of work - add in hotels, restaurants, shops etc and Pattaya would implode. Police would not gte their monthly pay outs and and and....
So Thailand is full of inconsistencies - just smile back and enjoy the trip and keep the emotions under control and respect everyone and everthing that way you have a great time.
I have met some of you and have aired my views directly. This is all general information and not specifically applied to the LB scene but worth noting. I hope it helps those coming on holiday as well as those considering living here. I do have some financial planning info for those serious about moving here.
As a rough guide 10 million Baht to buy, move in to house/Condo get comfortable and buy decent set of wheels. Living costs later.
A few rules following member report from Bangkok I think.
Respect the King - including all images and that includes banknotes - if you desecrate a bank note you desecrate the King
Respect all Temples and Icons/Images - 2 reasons. Thai way and second you look like an ignorant asshole if you do not.
Respect ALL people. This is common sense but if you behave in the way that we can in the West you are a "buffalo" - I know many guys where all the ladies smile at them but none will go with him because he has proven himself to be one dumb, stupid, loud mouthed buffalo. You should hear soe of the conversations the girls have - they do not choose their words carefully. So you get drunk and act like an asshole - you may find your card marked.
This really applies to the main GG circuit but Lb's the same.
Never get into a agressive arguement. I saw a drunk UK guy in BKK trying to intimidate the bouncer at a club. The next thing is a knuckle duster appeared on the bouncers hand and 4 other Thais showed up. The guy was just sober enough to realise he was outplayed. The Thais smile a lot but when agitated take care. You argue with one and many appear out of the darkness. (LB's are the same). If you freelance you take a risk - Franck of 131 and Bob of Stringfellows have reputable staff.
Police - not same as the West. Everyone on the take and NEVER confront. You want to play and you are going to pay big time. No bail and no legal aid. I got stopped 4th Jan for going too fast (having just been overtaken by numerous bedhouin taxis) - Police guy said (literally) "Happy New Year Farang - 200 baht" I could not refuse.
Life is cheap here - for 5000 baht you can get someone "hit" - I mean it. Many stories of Farang upsetting Thai girlfriend or whatever - next thing he is dead or in hospital. They take revenge seriously.
Do not get "involved" unless you mean to - they take relationships seriously after only a short courtship. They then demand unyielding loyalty which they also give in return.
Holiday vs Resident. They love paperwork here and as a foreigner there are many restrictions that you never know about. Buying property. Thais do not trust lawyers - there is no law society to escalate problems/wrongdoings. There is a lot of BS advice.
Living cost. When you come her on vacation you have big bucks - say 3000 quid for a month - that is 210,000 baht. Average wage in Thailand for Thais is 5000 baht. A teacher will start at 6000 baht a month. Girl in restaurant or factory will do 7 days a week for 150 baht per day plus tips etc SO YOUR 210,000 is like monoploy money.
You really need to think in Baht and in their economic terms. Think in relative terms - your 5,000 baht is one months income. A lady drink is equivalent to one factory workers day's pay. Thais eat for 50 baht or less a day. Your meal at a restaurant is say 500 baht - three days pay. Get the idea - pricing/cost is a relative thing - you should try to think in local terms. So your 1000/1500 baht for long time is one weeks pay - that is why the sex industry is so bouyant NOT because you are so good looking!!
Most people working Pattaya do legitimately send money home - many families are dependent on their offspring working Pattaya. I know one lady has 2 kids 14 and 15 in her town. They live in a small house, on their own, while mom works 3 month stints in Pattaya. So, many of them have a genuine need for your money.
When resident here it is unlikely you will work - so can you afford the 3000 quid a month holiday budget money to retire here - probably not. Good news is that you can live here on 50,000/75,000 baht a month comfortably BUT you will not be able to butterfly nightly!
Try not to butterfly in the same bar - they do not like it. Again you will get all smiles BUT that is on the outside. Inside they lose face and that is a big no here - shame the principle does not exist in the West - society might be a bit more pleasant than currently.
When you live here you are always a "guest to the kingdom of Thailand" you have no rights and can be asked to leave at anytime.
Finally - Prostitution is illegal. Always pay the BF and deal separately for other service - the BF is to take the person from place of work - comp the bar.
Try and agree everything in advance ST/LT and cost. They always ask for Taxi fare as extra but up to you. If you agree everything in advance OK - if not you may find you have a little spitfire to deal with. Never pay in advance and my book says do not BF in advance and say I will come back later/tomorrow. If she get another offer she will take it - I know not everyone but as a general rule "pay as you go"
Now saying prostitution is illegal is amusing BECAUSE so are all Mobile food carts!!
The authorities have a dilemma. There are 85,000 ladies working Pattaya. No one pays tax. What would happen if they overnight cleaned up the sex trade. 85,000 people out of work - add in hotels, restaurants, shops etc and Pattaya would implode. Police would not gte their monthly pay outs and and and....
So Thailand is full of inconsistencies - just smile back and enjoy the trip and keep the emotions under control and respect everyone and everthing that way you have a great time.
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