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[stonefre]

I don't think you caused a fuss. Everyone has a right to an opinion. My parents love Fox News and I still love them. Who mentioned MSNBC? I subscribe to basic cable so I miss all those cable news networks. and I'm pretty happy about it. I get most of my news and a lot of my TV from the internet these days.

[Surin Nix]

Because of Faux News, I have been able to define my World-View, and my place in it.

Here's a graphic representation of how things surely are. Thank you, Faux News.

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[slappy111]

Nix, and this is wrong because.....?

[xyzzy]

I didn't mean to cause a fuss. Enjoy your msnbc in peace

MSNBC is the anti Fox News. Or is it the other way around. Both are as equally fair and balanced IMO. Which is to say not at all.

I also hate Fox Noise. We must be a bunch of liberal commie pinkos here.

At least you didn't say "liberal commie pinko fags".

whew.

[Macman]

You won't get any argument from me about that clip. When I first got here, the only news I could get was Fox, Al Jazeera and the BBC. Finally, Al Jazeera was replaced by CNN on my cable network. It originates in London instead of Atlanta, but at least I get to see some news of the U.S. without having to look at that revolting channel. Back home I have friends who are absolute Fox-fanatics. While I can readily agree that most U.S. network shows and CNN are left-leaning (as am I), my friends swear up and down that Fox is "fair and balanced". A number of years ago, while Bush was still president, I told one of my buddies that 65% of Fox-watchers still believe that Saddam Hussein was involved in 9/11. I thought I was making a point, but my friend said, "He was." I told him that even the president admits that he wasn't. He asked me to prove that, which I did by showing him a presidential press conference transcript. I don't think even that convinced him. Scary.

[Surin Nix]

A number of years ago, while Bush was still president, I told one of my buddies that 65% of Fox-watchers still believe that Saddam Hussein was involved in 9/11. I thought I was making a point, but my friend said, "He was." I told him that even the president admits that he wasn't. He asked me to prove that, which I did by showing him a presidential press conference transcript. I don't think even that convinced him. Scary.

That's interesting, Mac. I wouldn't have taken you as a hanging-to-the-left. I mean, a left-leaning person. ;-)

I've made the same evolution myself over the last several years. I voted for Reagan....voted for Bush. Twice.

...Regretted that last one, a lot. (btw, Rick Perry makes my skin crawl. Despite his early hype, his performance in the debates was lackluster. Now, he's taking a "well, hell ya'll, debatin' wuz never mah strong soot. Just let me lead somethin'. I'll show ya'" tack.

Bush redux. (insert puke icon here).

Anyway, your inability to sway the opinion of your friend, despite your evidence, shows a total disregard for rationality and a deeply instilled tendency toward bias. Faux news fans the flames of bias and pushes the limits of credulity in regards to rationality.

I am saddened that we do such a poor job in our schools of teaching critical and independent thinking.

That "fair and balanced" moniker. Total BS.

[jayarr]

based on the average age poll, you would think more people would see things my way
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[Macman]

Jayarr, it's a quote from Churchill, and I'm not sure, but I think the British definitions of Liberal and Conservative may not quite match the American version. In any case, one side always feels the other side is dumb. One of the most intelligent guys I know is a staunch Conservative, and I have to fight down my feelings of "how can he be so dumb?". I'm sure he does the same about me. What I hate most about the right, including Fox, is that they brand the Liberals as unpatriotic or traitors. I served my country in the U.S. Army for 3 years and 3 months during Vietnam, which is a hell of a lot more than most of the Congressional and journalistic "hawks" can say. I'll match my patriotism, loyalty and intelligence with any of them.

Nix, I have always been on the Democrat/Liberal side of the scale, but never voted along party lines until that hypocritical Republican/Conservative-led impeachment of Clinton. For instance, I voted for Bush senior for his first term, but for Clinton after that. After the impeachment fiasco, I have voted strictly Democrat, and always will.

[thailover57]

I hear you Mac - Vietnam Vet from 67 - 71 - no action, other places in the Navy. But I think politicians are more interested in where the votes can come from rather than Dem or Repub. For example, Scott Brown in Mass. got the Kennedy seat (saying he would not be a puppet) and immediately started selling out. How can you tell if a politician is lying? His lips move.

[stonefre]

As far as political parties go, I'm with Lewis Black who speaks of the democrats and republicans this way: "our two-party system is a bowl of shit looking in the mirror at itself". "The Democratic party is the party of no ideas and the Republican party is the party of bad ideas."

When I vote I usually hold my nose while I do it as I'm usually not voting for who I want to be elected but voting to prevent the other guy from getting elected.

Any opinions on the Occupy Wall Street movement? The right are teaching their folks that it is some kind of socialist class warfare. Funny if it was the tea party it would be consider patriotic.

[Macman]

Yeah, TL57, and I honestly thought that Scott Brown was the real deal, even if I wouldn't have voted for him.

Stonfre, I friggin' love Lewis Black. Now, if he were to run ...

[Hoot]

opinions on the Occupy Wall Street movement? The right are teaching their folks that it is some kind of socialist class warfare. Funny if it was the tea party it would be consider patriotic.

It will be interesting to see what it morphs into. I support their frustration of corruption and money in politics. Though it seems to be a collection of people disillusioned with a whole range of issues. However I can already see political groups trying to corral that frustration for their own political gain...

It's fascinating to me that the majority of people I talk to who think our entire system is corrupt, which ever party, Republican or Democratic. But then you talk to the party ideologues who just believe the other side is corrupt and they are the saviors.