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[Ericthehalfabee]

Odd that TLF mods/owners/interested parties feel that they have to post here explaining themselves - I some how doubt very much if LB69's members feel any need to go and post there.

Why not just let the forum members of both forums vote with their feet and leave it at that.

[SwineCanine]

A casual reader here might get the impression that there's an "us vs. them" mentality while in reality the guys from both forums who travel to or live in Thailand hang out together and really don't care too much where someone posts. Some of the guys are quite active on both forums.

We have an extremely small community compared to either the str8 or gay communities so therefore it's even more important to be on good terms with everyone because in Pattaya you're constantly bumping into friends from both forums.

Last night, there was a party at Sally's that was co-sponsored by a guy who is more active on the Ladyboy 69 Forum and a guy who primarily posts on The Ladyboy Forums and was well attended by guys from both forums.

Thanks Rossco and TT Chang for throwing a great party! The food was great as was Dao's special erotic candle wax show. Everyone had an excellent time. I'm sure hotties such as Nurse Gypsy couldn't give a rat's ass about where someone posts either; she just wants to take care of her patients.

Thanks again TT and Rossco!!

[CL]

My post was more of a general remark based on what I know and thought would be useful to share.

[...] the TLF's rules and guidelines [...] you must agree with upon registration with the forum. "Posters retain personal copyright to their material and by voluntarily posting on this website allow the site owners to use said material for promotional reasons and commercial gain."

Thanks for clarifying. No need to send link. What you are saying with your T&C clause is: "me, the user, will 'work' to create content as well as freely share this content, to which I hold legal ownership, on TLF while you, the owner, can (a) make money of this content, and (b) attract more people who will create more content under the same T&C for you, so you can make more money."

Bear in mind that the content I decide to share 'voluntarily' is still under my legal ownership, the copyright does not transfer, hence you may find you may still need to get the explicit consent of me to actually exploit it for promotional and / or commercial reasons. I.o.w. you need to ask me before the second part of the clause can take effect.

CL you might have missed it, but TLF is not directly associated with a pay site like the LB69 Forum. If a site revenues start declining, then do you expect the owner to eat the cost of the server and bandwith? Does that sound like a good business decision?

Thanks for clarifying that. Like I very clearly stated in my original post I do not know TLF. Thanks for clarifying that TLF does not have the same business model as LB-69. Question, is TLF based on PPC/Revenue Sharing?

[fridgemagnet]

I didn't understand much of that - words ok, sentences not so. legal stuff & finessing things like "owner" and "direct connection" obfusticate things fer me.

[CL]

I didn't understand much of that - words ok, sentences not so. legal stuff & finessing things like "owner" and "direct connection" obfusticate things fer me.

What dont you understand? Protection of users, like you and me, i.o.w. customers, from owners, like TLF, i.o.w. companies. In the case of copyright law change 'user' into creator, and 'owner' into distributor and/or publisher. Hope it clarifies.

[soulboy]

I'd echo SwineCanine's remarks , I made a lot of friends from this and the TLF forum all decent guys , salt of the earth

People will have one they favour , some will post on both and when all this brew ha ha settles there will still be 2 strong forums leading the way in the thing we all love

Re TLFs transition , as Oscar Wilde one said - "There is only one thing worse than being talked about , and that is not being talked about "

[boarhog]

I'd echo SwineCanine's remarks , I made a lot of friends from this and the TLF forum all decent guys , salt of the earth
People will have one they favour , some will post on both and when all this brew ha ha settles there will still be 2 strong forums leading the way in the thing we all love
Re TLFs transition , as Oscar Wilde one said - "There is only one thing worse than being talked about , and that is not being talked about "

Thats what makes it so frustrating for the guys who were on both forums. They have friends on both forums and by being froze out and losing post priviledges they also lose PM priviledges. No one here is making this a us and them thing. Its all a matter of some getting froze out by the TLF administration.

Erichalfabee, Fridgemagnet, myself and others are wanting are posts deleted.

I feel they are profiteering off my contributions and others. Stogie aka Bumperstikka/Rustynail/bicycle pump/Mr. Grumpy/ etc.. said he would remove posts and threads upon request. He hasn't honoured this in my case and others as well. That is major point of contention and many here have stated how its not fair of him to do that, especially afte he said he would remove upon request.
I cannot access my contributions on several threads and posts which are now in a pay section.

I also have no access to my PM's which had several contacts of several BM over there. Since some are not on LB69 it will be hard to contact them unless they eventually make their way over here, but it like you say some people have a favorite. Its pretty much the guys Stogie fucked over versus him and SOME of his 30 moderaters who choose to defend him going back on his word and are willing to spin whatever necessary to help sell memberships at this crucial time for them. Maybe they actually buy into bad publicity being good publicity, but I can't see how any person considering paying for a VIP memberships would trust the TLF sites administrator after reading through the treatment of former members here as well as the opinions of BM's here on the transition.

If your going to question TLF on anything make sure you copy everything from your mailbox before you do.

[Ladyboy Lust]

Hello Mr Boarhog

Again a good statement. I also like to add what kind of trouble you can encounter when you anger his Royal Highness Stogie. First he doesn't delete anything. Your forum name stays there. But he strips you off your ability to post, delete yourself or pm him. That way the number of members stay high but more important he has your E mail/internet ID.
After that mysterious new members start with posting personal information on TLF. In my case he got the wrong person. But the person he thought it was had a miserable time. RXpharm did a part of that dirty job too. So RXpharm I hope you are happy now.

Now if someone is thinking of becoming a paying member he should consider this. Personally I don't mind in case a meet another BM where he posts or what his favorite internet site is. So for me no war between us and them.

The problem ain't lb69 or TLF. The problem is simply one name Stogie. Anyone who got in touch which him or his forum and angered him burnt his fingers. Why? because these were all retarded minds like Stogie says. No I don't dig that. I think 99% are pretty decent guys. So only one other answer on that. Mister Stogie himself.

And ask yourself what is so great about him. His cursing, grumpy behaviour. His backstabbing methods. Would you do the same to another fellow. I doubt that. The real Stogie is coming out of the bush. NOt exactly mister nice guy.

Also I personally regret that I need to go that far to get some kind of reaction from Stogie. Or at least make clear how stupid this is.
Bad promotion can sell but not for a long time. Then people lose interest and like to hear something new. Otherwise it becomes an overkill.

Again would he offer another way to get my posts deleted or make him realize how stupid he is I would follow that path. Only on TLF it ain't possible. Even a pm is impossible after they kicked you out. I don't mind being kicked out or envy him. Only the backstabbing after you leave is something I won't accept.

Boarhog I think Keyser Soze is another Stogie clone. That name comes from the movie usual suspects. He is a mastermind underworld kingpin . Now Stogie is that your latest hero?

If so then another sick joke.

I'd echo SwineCanine's remarks , I made a lot of friends from this and the TLF forum all decent guys , salt of the earth
People will have one they favour , some will post on both and when all this brew ha ha settles there will still be 2 strong forums leading the way in the thing we all love
Re TLFs transition , as Oscar Wilde one said - "There is only one thing worse than being talked about , and that is not being talked about "

Thats what makes it so frustrating for the guys who were on both forums. They have friends on both forums and by being froze out and losing post priviledges they also lose PM priviledges. No one here is making this a us and them thing. Its all a matter of some getting froze out by the TLF administration.

Erichalfabee is questioning why his posts were deleted. I'm wanting mine deleted. Two different cases.

I feel they are profiteering off my contributions and others. Stogie aka Bumperstikka/Rustynail/bicycle pump/Mr. Grumpy/ etc.. said he would remove posts and threads upon request. He hasn't honoured this in my case and others as well. That is major point of contention and many here have stated how its not fair of him to do that, especially afte he said he would remove upon request.
I cannot access my contributions on several threads and posts which are now in a pay section.

I also have no access to my PM's which had several contacts of several BM over there. Since some are not on LB69 it will be hard to contact them unless they eventually make their way over here, but it like you say some people have a favorite. Its pretty much the guys Stogie fucked over versus him and SOME of his 30 moderaters who choose to defend him going back on his word and are willing to spin whatever necessary to help sell memberships at this crucial time for them. Maybe they actually buy into bad publicity being good publicity, but I can't see how any person considering paying for a VIP memberships would trust the TLF sites administrator after reading through the treatment of former members here as well as the opinions of BM's here on the transition.

If your going to question TLF on anything make sure you copy everything from your mailbox before you do.

[roverme1]

I would pay $300 a year at TLF just to stay away and not have to read boarhog's raving lunatic blabbering. What a wanker!

[kliome]

I would pay $300 a year at TLF just to stay away and not have to read boarhog's raving lunatic blabbering. What a wanker!

you can stay here and hit the ignore button for free!

[Nick Bullseye]

Boarhog, you are doing an excellent job by defending the LB69 forum.

TLF just shot his leg by going to a payed VIP section. I do not think they will survive. Many lurkers and not very active members will come to LB69 if they did not do it already.