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[PanzerFaust]

Stogie you are more pathetic than usual in going once again to other forums to wash your cum dripping dirty clothes.

Your sad marketing strategy is getting older but you are still the best when it's the time to manipulate the minds of a few gay wankers teenagers in their fifties.

Showing respect to customers who don't show respect for themselves is as silly as paying for a public forum made of amateur contributions.

If only all you guys would spend more time in fucking than in bragging, reporting and talking about that ...........

Make them all dance Mr Bear.....

[bbb2k2]

Not sure this is relevant but interesting read:

"After Three Months, Only 35 Subscriptions for Newsday's Web Site"

http://www.observer....wsdays-web-site

Maybe that grumpy bear is wrong when he claims "pay for content" is the future?

[jeroen666]

Oh, damn... Being ganged up on by forum trolls... HELP!

Now VIP Boarhog has a dancing partner!

I have no idea who you are dude, so consider this an outsider's perspective:

1. You're coming across as a real dickhead in this thread.

2. If people want to delete their OWN trip reports, they should be able to do so.

Everything else is just bullshit.

[CL]

[...] "pay for content" is the future [...]

Seriously? In 2010? OMG! Where the entire world is shifting focus to find smart ways to leverage the social web commercially by embedding brands in these communities in a non-obstructive way, this guy thinks he can place a barrier to entry to the social space itself. A space to which he 'merely' provided an 'old' infrastructure (read: open source forum software). The uniqueness sits with the content, content created by the community, not by the infrastructure provider.

This goes against the entire notion of how the web has been constructing itself as a social space over the last 5+ years. Social communities by nature construct freely and organically. Succesfull companies are trying to leverage this by embedding relevant content at different touch points in the social space for marketing and / or sales puposes. And this does not mean floading the space with commercial ads trying to get a few bucks from click throughs.

Don't be mistaken, all this social stuff has no economic pretentions. It’s about story-telling. It’s conversation. It’s advocacy, or passion. Most of all it's about creating, connecting and sharing. In the end the winners are the consumers. And the companies providing a unique infrastructure (youtube to Google, Flickr to Yahoo, et al.), and those companies whom are smart enough to realise this and leverage the social space, not trying to 'own' it.

This is not say a company doesn't need a marketing site, an online store, syndicate to third-party online retailers anymore, it is to say companies need to re-think how they move potential customer along the path to purchase to the ultmite buy and advocacy of the brand. The social space is making us re-think how we approach this. Again, Lb-69, intentionally or not, is a good and simple example: social space to subscription-based content. It's a great marketing mechanism this way (that's why I also think the LB-69 forum will always remain free).

IMHO his model is seriously flawed. His intention even more so. It's about the community benefit realised that will determine invidividual commercial gain, not the other way around. His infrastructure is not unique, it's old fashioned even. The content is unique. But it is not his. It is the result of the community effort. Us. He is stealing it for personal gain. I find myself wondering in the dark ages... talking to a swordsman pretending to be a blacksmith...

P.s.: if he thinks this is business lingo, as he has coined before about my previous posts to this tread. Wake up sir, it is exactly that which it's not, and it is that which will result in poor decision making. Try to look outside-in, not in-side out, just look at the impact of ideas like the social web, long tail, et al.

[AXELROSE_SLASH]

I asked for all my posts there to be deleted as one can't do it oneself - not surprisingly my request was ignored.
Lol VIP room - more like the sheep pen prior to shearing.

I'm going the same route if Stogie (Aka bumpa stikka, Mr. Grumpy, Rusty Nail, Bicycle Pump, ADMIN......) will honour his word and delete those who request their photos be taken down. I have two pinned threads and several others that I will no longer be able to view unless I pay. I thought I would always have access to these photos but if I can't access them I'm not cool about them selling subscriptions so those who pay only can see them, when I just wanted to share them with the whole forum.

I'm really upset that stogie and gang has taken this stand by charging for membership fee.......... though i was not very frequent reader of that forum......... (TLF).........

[AXELROSE_SLASH]

I do not think any legal argument can be made. If you elect to 'post' information on a site then you are 'donating/contributing' to that site and your post becomes the property of the site.

They are, after all, Open Forums. You elect to post.

The site (site owners) can take action against those copying/pirating from their web site.

So, unfortunately, you do not retain any intellectual property over your own posts nor contributions.

I understand the reason behind TLF's change - some people showing photos/trip reports to those LBs featured in the report. This lead to the BM requesting removal of their trip report - what would a Forum be without Trip Reports.

There was a big debate, over on TLF, on how to resolve the issue and the outcome was a 'Pay for view' VIP Forum.

I agree that an annual subscription will deter the 'casual' user and probably most of the LB community - they will not pay 50 Bucks for access. Will it stop those people showing LBs the reports/photos - probably not BUT it will become more transparent which BM is doing so as the number of 'Paid Up' members will be smaller.

Rosco there is no debate over the ownership of the property once terms of conditions are accepted by the board members however board members who have contributed so much to sucess of the forum (TLB) by submiting thier TRs should be given a special treatment such as waiver of subsscription fee etc......

[fleeing]

Ha!Ha!Ha! What a great thread this was!

I've just read through 15 pages of almost total garbage written by the usual suspects with their usual ego driven search for attention.

I can only agree with Panzerfaust's post. You moaning wankers and conspiracy theorists need to get away from behind your computers a bit more often and actually shag the occasional LB. That way you might actually meet some of the personalities behind the silly forum names and realise that we are actually pretty much one big 'happy' family when on the ground in LOS. It might also help some of you get rid of your frustrations in a more (financially) positive (for the LBs) way.

Reading so much vile bull-shit actually makes me reticent about posting and sharing with such a bunch of armchair wankers. If I do it will be more as a recognition of Kilome's untiring patience and the fact that some BMs from TLF have decided to move here for more valid reasons than to whine, malign and make pratts of themselves.

For the record I am not one of Stogie's bum-boys. He knows that I disgree with him on a whole host of subjects, including the way the VIP membership was introduced. But he has devoted years to building the most informative forum on ladyboys, which has helped (and no doubt saved a few $$ for) loads of people who dared to take the plunge and actually get to LOS and 'live the dream' albeit temporarily. He has my respect, even if he is an irritating wanker at times.

[fridgemagnet]

why be so insulting to people?
live & let live is nice, few people are perfect.

and, for the record, Stogie has never saved me a satang.

[petesie]

I have had the great pleasure to meet some fine gentlemen from both forums, drink with them and share the company and pleasure of some beautiful LB's......and it indeed feel like being part of one big happy and sometimes not so happy, family...

What you have written here is a wee bit antagonistic and perhaps re-active from what I presumes originates from discussions on TLF regarding the recent decisions regarding membership issues....some of us aren't privvy to those discussions and personally I'm neither concerned or even interested.....we have all moved on.....

I've moved onto drinking and partying with BM's from both TLF & LB69 and shagging the occasional ladyboy.........

[Ivor Biggun]

I've moved onto drinking and partying with BM's from both TLF & LB69 and shagging the occasional ladyboy.........

So long as you keep things in that order its OK by me- just don't get mixed up when you're one over the odds!!

[RobiSLO]

I've moved onto drinking and partying with BM's from both TLF & LB69 and shagging the occasional ladyboy.........

So long as you keep things in that order its OK by me- just don't get mixed up when you're one over the odds!!

Drinking with occasional ladyboy and shagging BM's from TLF & LB69....

BR

[boarhog]

Ha!Ha!Ha! What a great thread this was!
I've just read through 15 pages of almost total garbage written by the usual suspects with their usual ego driven search for attention.

Yet you felt to compelled to resurrect it. So you could belittle those who didn't agree with you.

I can only agree with Panzerfaust's post. You moaning wankers and conspiracy theorists need to get away from behind your computers a bit more often and actually shag the occasional LB. That way you might actually meet some of the personalities behind the silly forum names and realise that we are actually pretty much one big 'happy' family when on the ground in LOS. It might also help some of you get rid of your frustrations in a more (financially) positive (for the LBs) way.
Reading so much vile bull-shit actually makes me reticent about posting and sharing with such a bunch of armchair wankers. If I do it will be more as a recognition of Kilome's untiring patience and the fact that some BMs from TLF have decided to move here for more valid reasons than to whine, malign and make pratts of themselves.

Did you realise most of the people who commented here were upset that their contributions, TR and posts are being used in the VIP area. Some with thousands of posts and photos from their trips to Thailand. Yet they aren't given VIP access and Stogie wouldn't delete them like he said he would upon request.

For the record I am not one of Stogie's bum-boys. He knows that I disgree with him on a whole host of subjects, including the way the VIP membership was introduced. But he has devoted years to building the most informative forum on ladyboys, which has helped (and no doubt saved a few $$ for) loads of people who dared to take the plunge and actually get to LOS and 'live the dream' albeit temporarily. He has my respect, even if he is an irritating wanker at times

Then stay over there if its such a great site. I'm pretty sure Ozzie, Fridgemagnet, Petesie, myself and others all have "taken the plunge". Several times I'm quite certain. Many people were deserving of complimentary VIP and now can't even view on threadss or trip reports they started. Why should they pay for a status they earned in contributions? In fact they would be paying more for less content. No one has really mentioned how several threads were lost in the transition to a pay forum. Namely Cocktails and Dreams thread of 116 pages. You can still see all those photos and comments here for FREE. What about Juri's cherished monster thread of 100 pages plus gone by the wayside? No one can see that now. What others are gone forever?

This isn't an US v. them issue as you suggest. It just doesn't hold water. Many of us as other posts have eluded to meet up with members of that forum and others. You dare to mention ego's as you talk down to the members over here. Is that why you joined? Funny I don't remember you as such a valued contributor to that forum as you see yourself.

Its telling that the pro-TLF'ers who post on this thread often resort to name calling and belittling those who disagree with them. I hope you will be fleeing with your silly username. Bye.