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[Ericthehalfabee]

I don't give two shits about TLF's business plans, problems with local tax laws or general warm fuzzy feeling.

I want all my posts and pics that I posted on TLF removed and since my polite request has been repeatedly ignored that says all I need to know about TLF and the people/person that runs it.

I cannot even remove myself as a member of TLF or if I can it's not exactly self explanatory.

[sev7en]

paccie, my friend. I told you before, you could´ve had a great career as a diplomat in UN, where ppl talk talk talk but really don´t say anything. No matter how many times ppl buttfuck you, you always have something nice to say about them to smooth things over.
You know i love you but i wish you could grow some backbone someday.

[pacman]

Hello Sev7en, long time no see.

I see you interpretted my post as one of weakness & acquiescence where I have allowed myself to be used by that dark manipulator - Stogie.

And accusing me of lacking backbone!! Well that seals it, how can I write anything of value when I have no spine of my own & have obviously prostrated myself at the feet of the TLF gang & have come here at their beck & call.

Nice try but not correct I am afraid. And I love you too Sev7en, just in case you misunderstood that part of my post also.

I spent the first 40 years of my life being intolerant of those I disagreed with, not wanting to see the misfortune of others, but it took a few human tragedies to open my eyes & convert me from my capitalist bias to being a humanist.

Why else would I not join in the attack against Franck? Sure, I knew all about his treachery & deviousness but I continued to send him money because in the end, when the girls left, when the world hated him, he had nothing.

And despite the differences between Stogies circumstance & Francks, the need for cash remains constant. I remember all those who railled against me because I refused to be part of the call for his public hanging. And I am the one with no backbone!!

To address the point that Dixon Cox made that the new paid-for section be started from scratch, I suggest that idea is simply ridiculous. What would there be to sell? And would anyone here do it if they were faced with the same decision? Of course you would in a hypothetical situation but think about it.

And to those BMs who have "struggled" & are "frustrated", I can only remind them that they are not losing anything tangible, that they posted their reports presumably of their own free will & to turn around now & demand they be withdrawn is just being too cute for words.

Sour grapes? Wanting to take your ball home if the kids won't let you join in? I understand the feeling people have of being slapped in the face but to describe Stogie's intransience as "immoral & unethical" is just over the top. This is a LB site with some "interesting" subject matter but because someone is exercising their right to use information freely supplied to try to make a living, he's the immoral one!!

Yes, I did consider how I would feel if I was denied access to my own reports. Injustice came to mind while I pondered if Stogie would deem me suitable to be a VIP but then I stopped caring because the forum is his to do as he pleases.

The Global Financial Crisis is the great leveller & before this year is out, some others here will know what it is like to be broke & friendless. Then you will discover who your friends really are. Franck certainly did & now Stogie has stepped out on that voyage of discovery. I doubt he can do anything now to placate the angry guys here so all this gnashing of teeth is hardly likely to be met with cooperation. (I may be wrong)

I don't approve & I don't disapprove. It is just the way it is so please, I commend everyone to heed Dixon's advice to get over it & get on with it. And for those compelled to shoot the messenger, knock yourselves out...

[bkklover]

Is this the se7en who texts lb's and offers them 5k to leave the guy who has paid the barfine on them?

With friends like these......

[Crackerjax]

"BigPenisMaiPenRai" wrote:

you have a conflict of interests so all your comments should be takin with a grain of sand, since your ultimate goal is of coarse to justify the greedy actions of Stogiy.

Giving Boarhog a run for his money as the Minister of Misspellings and Malaprops

[dixon cox]

To address the point that Dixon Cox made that the new paid-for section be started from scratch, I suggest that idea is simply ridiculous. What would there be to sell?

If you step out from behind the pulpit for a second, but please ... do not approach the congregation

The (other) forum result would have been exactly the same as it is now, minus a few VIP threads, but with no animosity or disgruntled ex-members, as their posts wouldn't have been included by default.
... I can't believe I even wrote this, it's so bleedin' obvious!

I am not involved or affected directly by this issue, so it matters not to me, but from a spectator's perspective it's not pretty.

[dixon cox]

With friends like these......

Telling tales belongs in the schoolyard

... I bet you were the chubby fat snitch at school with no friends

[Ladyboy Lust]

Hello

I wished the case you describe was as simple like this. In mine or my friends case TLF left us no way to forget. We did. Only he got Stogie's hit while I was the target. Even by going your own way it was not enough for Stogie. He kept pestering. That is ego and bad karma.

In my case it wasn't a hurt ego or revenge to warn. Would Stogie had left the case I wouldn't bother about this thread one day. Only Stogie or in this case spin doctor RXpharm and some others kept going on. My experiences in 2009 could have been far more reaching would the hit have been succesful. Sadly for them it didn't work out. I know they won't stop. These Keyser Soze's loose face if they do. That is their world. A matter of being stubborn not agree or disagree.

On several occasions I tried to convince them of their mistake and their stupidity. Instead no reaction or disgusting threats. I didn't take them serious. Like you I take a humanist side. Only in 2009 they went further being tipped off by a jealous ladyboy ( yes I butterfly like hell). This was not the classic angry ladyboy. This was different. I was aware she had the contacts ( my rxpharm photo was delivered by her). Together with TLF she crossed a line. I do know because I witnessed one of her previous calls with the TLF group how she screwed a farang from another website. This group knows English and reads lb69 or TLF. Most know Stogie or one of his lieutenants personally. Also they have quite a collection of photo's and movies of members in their mobile. Some nudies, some sleeping or eating.

Again and this may sound strange. I have no intention to beat up or kill any person involved. I don't believe in that. Only they should be aware of what they caused. Their lies the price for them.
If a person talks about a backbone. Yes I agree compassion is the true backbone. Not intimidation or slashing or perhaps violence. Or bad language.

Franck thought he could do everything his way. His end reading your story is pretty miserable. Stogie's story has similarities although I don't think he is a thief. My humanity stops there. A ladyboy completely broken down on drugs can get a donation. These guys no sorry. They should realize they always had a choice in life. Instead they kept entangled in their own frustration. Now the shit hits back to them. Again just a statement. No anger, no hurt , no frustration or enjoyment. Even no backbone.

Maybe people saw all my posts as an attack. No it wasn't meant to be. It was a warning for newbies to consider and a message to the guys involved. So far they all kept silence. Just a confirmation.I wonder where their backbone is. Sad I had to use lb69.

So in my case it is complicated. I leave them a choice by saying leave me alone but they seem to fail. Now Mr Pacman are you surprised that Stogie might end up like Franck. Penny less and no friends. It is all about choice. That is the backbone in any person's life. I do feel sorry that Stogie failed to see this. But their my humanity for persons like him pretty much ends.

Hello Sev7en, long time no see.

I see you interpretted my post as one of weakness & acquiescence where I have allowed myself to be used by that dark manipulator - Stogie.

And accusing me of lacking backbone!! Well that seals it, how can I write anything of value when I have no spine of my own & have obviously prostrated myself at the feet of the TLF gang & have come here at their beck & call.

Nice try but not correct I am afraid. And I love you too Sev7en, just in case you misunderstood that part of my post also.

I spent the first 40 years of my life being intolerant of those I disagreed with, not wanting to see the misfortune of others, but it took a few human tragedies to open my eyes & convert me from my capitalist bias to being a humanist.

Why else would I not join in the attack against Franck? Sure, I knew all about his treachery & deviousness but I continued to send him money because in the end, when the girls left, when the world hated him, he had nothing.

And despite the differences between Stogies circumstance & Francks, the need for cash remains constant. I remember all those who railled against me because I refused to be part of the call for his public hanging. And I am the one with no backbone!!

To address the point that Dixon Cox made that the new paid-for section be started from scratch, I suggest that idea is simply ridiculous. What would there be to sell? And would anyone here do it if they were faced with the same decision? Of course you would in a hypothetical situation but think about it.

And to those BMs who have "struggled" & are "frustrated", I can only remind them that they are not losing anything tangible, that they posted their reports presumably of their own free will & to turn around now & demand they be withdrawn is just being too cute for words.

Sour grapes? Wanting to take your ball home if the kids won't let you join in? I understand the feeling people have of being slapped in the face but to describe Stogie's intransience as "immoral & unethical" is just over the top. This is a LB site with some "interesting" subject matter but because someone is exercising their right to use information freely supplied to try to make a living, he's the immoral one!!

Yes, I did consider how I would feel if I was denied access to my own reports. Injustice came to mind while I pondered if Stogie would deem me suitable to be a VIP but then I stopped caring because the forum is his to do as he pleases.

The Global Financial Crisis is the great leveller & before this year is out, some others here will know what it is like to be broke & friendless. Then you will discover who your friends really are. Franck certainly did & now Stogie has stepped out on that voyage of discovery. I doubt he can do anything now to placate the angry guys here so all this gnashing of teeth is hardly likely to be met with cooperation. (I may be wrong)

I don't approve & I don't disapprove. It is just the way it is so please, I commend everyone to heed Dixon's advice to get over it & get on with it. And for those compelled to shoot the messenger, knock yourselves out...

[deepthroat69]

paccie, my friend. I told you before, you could´ve had a great career as a diplomat in UN, where ppl talk talk talk but really don´t say anything. No matter how many times ppl buttfuck you, you always have something nice to say about them to smooth things over.
You know i love you but i wish you could grow some backbone someday.

Sev7en, good to see you. I saw a number of references to a Ladyboy in Nana Plaza punching you a couple of weeks ago. I've been begging for an update and/or information... could you point me to a thread where you've posted about this, or is the subject something you've chosen not to elaborate on?

Please let me know, I'd love to know more about what happened.

Sorry for the threadjack. We return now to the argument in progress.

[fridgemagnet]

Bugger - my computer took me back to Ozzies last post, & I wanted to say "well said that man", but this thread moves so fast that we have gone WAY past his post now, and I can't find a delete button to press - so you get this.
I will say this tho - if Stogie felt truly justified in doing what he did, why all that crap about the forum now belonging to new owners?
Guilt?

[sev7en]

Sev7en, good to see you. I saw a number of references to a Ladyboy in Nana Plaza punching you a couple of weeks ago. I've been begging for an update and/or information... could you point me to a thread where you've posted about this, or is the subject something you've chosen not to elaborate on?

Please let me know, I'd love to know more about what happened.

Sorry for the threadjack. We return now to the argument in progress.

Hi dt,
yes, i was tired ,drunk and careless so a lb did take a swing at me. The mamasan and my friends stopped her though, bo biggie. I went there a few nights after and everything was ok.

[lemarquisdesavoie]

A few brief observations, as kilome has requested.

The LB Forum world is a strange place. Add to that mix the world of porn, and things get stranger.

Someone mentioned what Rami would do... I don't know, but having known him 5 or more years ago when this place started, he is a decent guy. Nothing I have heard since has countered that opinion.

Now to the matter at hand. Stogie ? He is also a decent guy and if one considered what he has had to put up with all these years, and for little financial profit, well one would forgive him his idiosyncracies.

News of threats and intimidation are to be taken seriously. However, we rarely hear the full story, or even both sides. Often the truth lies somewhere in between. Some egos have been bruised and I do agree that the matter of putting content which was freely given and available in the past into a restricted pay area rankles with many of those who posted said material.

I can only hope that these issues will be worked out in a way that favours all, and fairly.

Now, 2 final observations. Not wishing to single anyone out from a group of excllent and thoughtful posts..but I must say that pacman has shown himself to be a truly honourable man, and I salute you Sir

And kilome and the Mods here have shown a very decent and honourable level of restraint in the way they have guided this whole thread.

Let the debate continue