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[Automorph]

For what it's worth, VanGough.

It sounds like you have a bit of an "ax to grind" with the former owner of C&D and while in its former days C&D may have been all those things you say it is, you should give Jimbo the benefit of the doubt and see what HE is doing with the place.

I've not been to C&D yet, but it certainly is on my radar for my summer trip, and from the looks of the activity here, it is on the radar of the "long term mongers" on this site (which are numerous).

Additionally, Jimbo has been an active participant with this forum, providing good all around information about the scene (not specific to C&D, and not just trying to "drum" up business for his bar).

If you still want to give C&D a pass, that certainly is your prerogative, but it doesn't make sense to me. I often will check out a place I didn't previously like if it is under NEW ownership. At the worst case, you go in, have a beer and if you don't like it you leave. What's the harm?

I don't believe what you're doing is in the spirit of fairplay by condemning the new C&D without having paid it a visit.

Check it out first . . . then we would all be happy to entertain your opinion of C&D in it's current state.

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[vangough05]

I was there 4 weeks ago . The place is a dump. I have no axe to grind, I only deal in facts. I tell the truth and don't hide behind some facede of friendship or suck up to some nameles bar owner.

To be frank I don't give a flying fuck what you think about my opinion. Its fact and the truth is in about 12 months Jimbo will more then likely be broke and on his arse. I sincerly hope he does make a success of it, but 32 bar owners ( 9 farang)in the Phuket region went belly up in the last fiscal year and that is the truth of the matter. ( figures supplied by Sunbelt Asia)


I have had 12 pm's from mongers who agree with me but are too worried about being flamed by you mindless twats.
Get of your high horse and allow free speech or this little forum will fizzle like 23 forums before it.

I do buisness in Thailand and have done since 1975. I am not some dreamer who has been to LOS 2 or 3 times and has a few drinks with a few mongers and thinks he knows the ropes. I know what is going on because in have money invested in 3 clubs in Kho Samui ( not lb clubs) i am here every 8 weeks on a average and i don't listen to every so called expert.

You will go broke if you listen to every expert and cater to every bodys needs, you will also go broke if you don't listen to every bodys needs, its a very fine line.

I had a few beers in C and D's and to me the place lacks class, style and is way over priced for what it is.

Running LB bars is parramount to suicide except that sucide is quicker. If you read my post you would see i have no axe to grind with C and D. I just speak my mind and i really don't give a toss what others think.

And whats all this crap about "check it out first and then we all will be happy tom entertain my ideas about c and d"

Who the fuck are you to pass judgement. Mate this is a free forum aand only survives on its free speech and twats like you who think they know every thing are the reason 12 mongers pm me PRIVATLEY becasue they are worried about speaking there minds.

I visted c and d's on 4 seperate visits 4 weeks ago and the place had as much excitment as a 10 year olds birthday party.
This place is no Guess Bar and never will be as the quality of LB's is average at best. If you are trying to tell me the lb's are as good as Guess, you obvisouly are delusional.

This forum is well run because it allows free speech, so take you dress of and get a life.

Be happy and enjoy life, you may find you like it.

[porkchop]

Admittedly i haven't been to C&D for a couple of years but prior that it was four years in succession and i have always had a great time at this bar, when it was under Tiger and it's new location and Nick the previous owner was a good guy and an excellent host and i'll definitely be going back this year thanks to Jimbo

[jimbo34]

Oh dear. I had hoped you would just have your say vangough and then go away, but you seem determined to besmirch the good name of C & D. You obviously have an axe to grind; perhaps because you (and 3 friends -ffs) were not succesful in buying a share? In any case i dont really want a public arguement here, as its an otherwise very good-natured site. perhaps it would be better if you shut up and PLEASE stay away from C & D if it isnt your style. Stick to the yabba-heads in Crocodile and the freelance loonies in soi Bangla.

[Phil Lander]

Nice reply Jimbo , I will certainly make a point of coming to see you when I get to Phuket , I also quite like a Caberate type show so it looks interesting .
Hope the Legends dont create too much havoc. :wink:

[James Taylor]

Jesus Christ, what a post by VG.

[Aussi35]

vangough05

dont matter how long you been here for or how much you think you know.. your a looser..

[Automorph]

Hey Vangough:

I guess I've been summarily "told off" by such a great "expert" in all things.

I feel both so enlightened by and inferior to you . . . NOT.

Now who's quick to judge? You certainly know nothing about me, so I'll take your nasty remarks as nothing more than a person who obviously wasn't loved enough as a child and feels the need to lash out at strangers. Your problem, not mine, as I get along with everyone.

Here are the FACTS (that you LOVE to deal in):

You didn't make it clear from your post that you had been in C&D in the past 4 weeks (nor since Jimbo took it over). How were we supposed to gleen that little gem? Are we to assume that because you have been coming to thailand since 1975 that you would have been in C&D recently?

That being said, I retract my statement about "paying it a visit and then reporting back."

You don't like C&D. Fine, we get it. No need to belabor the point.

It's no Guess Bar (but then again, what is? Guess is in a bit of a league of it's own, in my opinion...yikes we agree on something).

BTW, you were the one who made the Guess Bar reference, not I, so I couldn't possibly be delusional on the matter (once again, a totally baseless statement)

As to the financial viability of LB bars in Phuket (or anywhere in Thailand), particularly when being run by farangs, I agree there is an unusually high rate of failure. Actually, it's really not so unusual given the operating environment, but that's a different subject for a different day. I wouldn't do it, but then again, I have better places to put my money that better suit my financial risk tolerance.

Lastly, by very my public response to you, i am exercising my right of free speech (the very thing you accuse me of trying to deny).

The only negative thing I said about your post was "it sounds like you have an ax to grind" and "I don't believe what you're doing is in the spirit of fair play by condemning the new C&D without having paid it a visit." I already retracted my last statement about your C&D visit.

Neither statements were "attacks" on you personally, nor was I insulting or demeaning (unlike your defensive and some what immature response).

I'm happy you have some validation from the 12 board members who PM'd you about their agreement with you. It's always nice to have validation, especially when one requires it from strangers.

I have a life (quite a nice one actually) and wish you all the best and for christ sakes get some fiber in your diet. It will help make you feel better. :twisted:

Don't worry, be happy!

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[rxpharm]

Guys, good replies to vangough05, he has revealed his "superior" attitude on other posts, and also had a major dispute with the owner of another forum in the past.

As for C&D, I haven't been there for a while as I last visited Phuket in 2006. No postops at the time I visited but was nice to catch the cabaret show and chat with the ladies!

[batman4ever]

i think people has to realise...that CD is not an "intimate" LB-bar...its a mix between a cabaret and a bar.... so if anybody (especially US with a certain interest in LB`s ) is expecting a bar same type as Guess-la bamba-Lita`s (RIP ) they will get dissapointed.... :!:
i was there every day for a week...just around when jimbo took over...and yes...at that time there WAS a big hassle for drinks from the girls....and especially from that ugly mamasan at that time... :? but according to the reports from people i thrust...it seems to go into the right direction... :wink:

i DO think that the "accustic" of the bar is shit...but realise that it has to be this way as long as its also a cabaret...and i think that they have to consider to make money all year...and a fair ammount of them comes from the tourist`s that just wanna see "the creatures".. but again..i have to live with that if that whats it takes...rather that...than no LB`bar in phuket... :wink:

personaly...i would like them to dimp the light...buy some couches/sofa`s, play soft music, and stop the cabaret...but i dont think the "all year market" for LB`lovers are big enough for that... :?


i had a "problem" ONE time last year in CD....( she went PMS for for 30 min. walked out of me...)(i had payed the BF for 7 days)i actually didnt complain...but was just laughing to Jimbo...cause i know for sure she would be back soon.... but Jimbo DIDNT hesitate for a second...even he didnt know me a the time...he gave me the barfine back rigth on the spot...well as i thought she went back half an hour later..(at this time i think Jimbo has left) so we went of....so i still owe him a BF.... and i am lucky to have meet him after in PTY.... :wink:

well Jimbo....youll show us Toosie one of the days...ill pay your BF there....

[jimbo34]

Thanks for that Batman. Your criticisms are constructive, justified and in the right spirit of this forum, rather than vangough who just badmouthed the whole operation.
Luckily, you and most others on here understand that Phuket is a family destination, and we have to attract that crowd to make it pay. Also, we`re in a quiet soi, and have to give people some reason to come down it. Hence the cabaret, which most LB hunters dont really give a damn about.
Yes the place is a bit warehousey which doesnt help the acoustics.No, there isnt a clubby atmosphere (like Guess bar) but we have to get a volume of traffic to make it pay. having 6 or 7 mongers in at a time doesnt pay the rent. At this time of year we have 60-70 bins per night, which is approx 100 people, 10 - 15 barfines, and 50 - 70 lady drinks. Most bars would be leaping with joy at that volume, but here its only sufficient to provide the 2 of us with a decent living. This aint no Microsoft enterprise!
It may be that at the end of this month there will be some significant developments that will enable us to create a more pubby feel to the place. I cant really say any more about that at this stage.
You`ll be relieved to know Batman that the old mamasan has gone and the new one is more customer aware.

BTW, Tootsies is an upmarket massage parlour. I like the VIP service - the "barfine " for that is 2000 Baht ! lol