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[Automorph]

Hey Vangough:

I guess I've been summarily "told off" by such a great "expert" in all things.

I feel both so enlightened by and inferior to you . . . NOT.

Now who's quick to judge? You certainly know nothing about me, so I'll take your nasty remarks as nothing more than a person who obviously wasn't loved enough as a child and feels the need to lash out at strangers. Your problem, not mine, as I get along with everyone.

Here are the FACTS (that you LOVE to deal in):

You didn't make it clear from your post that you had been in C&D in the past 4 weeks (nor since Jimbo took it over). How were we supposed to gleen that little gem? Are we to assume that because you have been coming to thailand since 1975 that you would have been in C&D recently?

That being said, I retract my statement about "paying it a visit and then reporting back."

You don't like C&D. Fine, we get it. No need to belabor the point.

It's no Guess Bar (but then again, what is? Guess is in a bit of a league of it's own, in my opinion...yikes we agree on something).

BTW, you were the one who made the Guess Bar reference, not I, so I couldn't possibly be delusional on the matter (once again, a totally baseless statement)

As to the financial viability of LB bars in Phuket (or anywhere in Thailand), particularly when being run by farangs, I agree there is an unusually high rate of failure. Actually, it's really not so unusual given the operating environment, but that's a different subject for a different day. I wouldn't do it, but then again, I have better places to put my money that better suit my financial risk tolerance.

Lastly, by very my public response to you, i am exercising my right of free speech (the very thing you accuse me of trying to deny).

The only negative thing I said about your post was "it sounds like you have an ax to grind" and "I don't believe what you're doing is in the spirit of fair play by condemning the new C&D without having paid it a visit." I already retracted my last statement about your C&D visit.

Neither statements were "attacks" on you personally, nor was I insulting or demeaning (unlike your defensive and some what immature response).

I'm happy you have some validation from the 12 board members who PM'd you about their agreement with you. It's always nice to have validation, especially when one requires it from strangers.

I have a life (quite a nice one actually) and wish you all the best and for christ sakes get some fiber in your diet. It will help make you feel better. :twisted:

Don't worry, be happy!

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[rxpharm]

Guys, good replies to vangough05, he has revealed his "superior" attitude on other posts, and also had a major dispute with the owner of another forum in the past.

As for C&D, I haven't been there for a while as I last visited Phuket in 2006. No postops at the time I visited but was nice to catch the cabaret show and chat with the ladies!

[batman4ever]

i think people has to realise...that CD is not an "intimate" LB-bar...its a mix between a cabaret and a bar.... so if anybody (especially US with a certain interest in LB`s ) is expecting a bar same type as Guess-la bamba-Lita`s (RIP ) they will get dissapointed.... :!:
i was there every day for a week...just around when jimbo took over...and yes...at that time there WAS a big hassle for drinks from the girls....and especially from that ugly mamasan at that time... :? but according to the reports from people i thrust...it seems to go into the right direction... :wink:

i DO think that the "accustic" of the bar is shit...but realise that it has to be this way as long as its also a cabaret...and i think that they have to consider to make money all year...and a fair ammount of them comes from the tourist`s that just wanna see "the creatures".. but again..i have to live with that if that whats it takes...rather that...than no LB`bar in phuket... :wink:

personaly...i would like them to dimp the light...buy some couches/sofa`s, play soft music, and stop the cabaret...but i dont think the "all year market" for LB`lovers are big enough for that... :?


i had a "problem" ONE time last year in CD....( she went PMS for for 30 min. walked out of me...)(i had payed the BF for 7 days)i actually didnt complain...but was just laughing to Jimbo...cause i know for sure she would be back soon.... but Jimbo DIDNT hesitate for a second...even he didnt know me a the time...he gave me the barfine back rigth on the spot...well as i thought she went back half an hour later..(at this time i think Jimbo has left) so we went of....so i still owe him a BF.... and i am lucky to have meet him after in PTY.... :wink:

well Jimbo....youll show us Toosie one of the days...ill pay your BF there....

[jimbo34]

Thanks for that Batman. Your criticisms are constructive, justified and in the right spirit of this forum, rather than vangough who just badmouthed the whole operation.
Luckily, you and most others on here understand that Phuket is a family destination, and we have to attract that crowd to make it pay. Also, we`re in a quiet soi, and have to give people some reason to come down it. Hence the cabaret, which most LB hunters dont really give a damn about.
Yes the place is a bit warehousey which doesnt help the acoustics.No, there isnt a clubby atmosphere (like Guess bar) but we have to get a volume of traffic to make it pay. having 6 or 7 mongers in at a time doesnt pay the rent. At this time of year we have 60-70 bins per night, which is approx 100 people, 10 - 15 barfines, and 50 - 70 lady drinks. Most bars would be leaping with joy at that volume, but here its only sufficient to provide the 2 of us with a decent living. This aint no Microsoft enterprise!
It may be that at the end of this month there will be some significant developments that will enable us to create a more pubby feel to the place. I cant really say any more about that at this stage.
You`ll be relieved to know Batman that the old mamasan has gone and the new one is more customer aware.

BTW, Tootsies is an upmarket massage parlour. I like the VIP service - the "barfine " for that is 2000 Baht ! lol

[batman4ever]

BTW, Tootsies is an upmarket massage parlour. I like the VIP service - the "barfine " for that is 2000 Baht ! lol

mai pen rai.....

[vangough05]

Being a regular visitor to Phuket every 4 months my advice is to give C &D the big miss. The palce is badly run, over priced and the girls quite frankly are average.

There are planty of free lancers after 11 pm and there are far better bars.


Just my opinion but i have been coming to Thailand since 1975 and i wouldn't rate C&D in the top 20 lb bars in Thailand.

[jimbo34]

Hmmm...well everybody is entitled to their opinion...

[vangough05]

You are never without an opinion vangough05 and nothing wrong with that however, I know how you like to stir things up from time to time
Under the previous regime at C&D I also thought the place was fairly uninteresting and staffed by ladyboys determined to fleece customers for drinks while offering very little in return however, under Jimbo's new stewardship I hear the place is going from strength to strength.
I'll certainly be there this coming low season to check it out.

I stand by my opinion. I am stating the truth and thats all there is to it.

The pics that are on this site from C&Ds prove the girls are ordinary and over rated.

The free lancers are better value, better looking and offer better service.

I am back in May 9 for 4 weeks and it aint on my radar.

The place has never been a goer and the last owner done a bundle.

I have seen the books as a partnership with 3 others looked at this place over 2 years ago.

I am sure Jimbo is doing a good job but as i said to me its not on my radar or other long term mongers for that fact.

Most long term mongers don't go near the place and thats because of its long time bad name. Its hard to turn a place around even with new owners.

I wish Jimbo good luck and I am sure he will make it work
As i said its my opinion and thats all it is.

[costassg]

You are never without an opinion vangough05 and nothing wrong with that however, I know how you like to stir things up from time to time
Under the previous regime at C&D I also thought the place was fairly uninteresting and staffed by ladyboys determined to fleece customers for drinks while offering very little in return however, under Jimbo's new stewardship I hear the place is going from strength to strength.
I'll certainly be there this coming low season to check it out.

I stand by my opinion. I am stating the truth and thats all there is to it.

The pics that are on this site from C&Ds prove the girls are ordinary and over rated.

The free lancers are better value, better looking and offer better service.

I am back in May 9 for 4 weeks and it aint on my radar.

The place has never been a goer and the last owner done a bundle.

I have seen the books as a partnership with 3 others looked at this place over 2 years ago.

I am sure Jimbo is doing a good job but as i said to me its not on my radar or other long term mongers for that fact.

Most long term mongers don't go near the place and thats because of its long time bad name. Its hard to turn a place around even with new owners.

I wish Jimbo good luck and I am sure he will make it work
As i said its my opinion and thats all it is.

most of The free lancers at bangla road are post op from siang mai :twisted:

[kliome]

I'm not sure which pictures you've been looking at Vangough. No complaints here.

Each to their own. A lot of people don't like LBs at all, all I can say is all the more for me.

C&D will certainly be getting some of my business at the end of this month.