Further to my previous post, but this is just a rant about negotiating and pricing. I think it would be better for that bar to have a Thai style barfine for the ladyboys. Just pay the bar's half and let the customer ladyboy work out the other half.
Last time I was in Thailand, Crazy House near soi cowboy requested I give the full amount for the girl up front... almost unheard of in Thailand, and really though they were trying a scam or something. Ended up giving half the amount when the girl I wanted explained that they had a lot of young girls straight from the North there who had trouble getting the money in the morning.
So yeah, this is a thing for women, but could you imagine getting away with not paying a ladyboy in the morning? Maybe if you were a bigger guy than me. LOL, even a sweet 18yo bottom girl would fight you, and wreck up the place if they didn't get paid. They're still boys after all. This is why the girls work in bars, they're to scared to work as freelancers. The girls that do work as Freelancers and are actually bold and smile at men on the street make more, since the bar isn't scalping half. Of course the number that do that I could count on one hand.
This leads to another thing, ladyboys are comfortable negotiating, pick any LB out in front of Phillies tonight they are pretty good at haggling with you, of course they also know they're not really in demand around here so the price is low. A few night ago I spent the later part of the evening just watching the show at Phillies, it is high season now and more customers here. Even a few openly gay men around. Still a lot of LB spent the evening standing around, not picked up. A few more than usual during low season were pick up though. The older customers around here have no worries about just walking up and walking to the LB, but the middle age guys always motion or are on the sly about how they get the LBs to go with them. A lot use the short time hotel down by Los Vegas bar.
One retired salior I come to know, who is quiet a character, just walked up and loudly propositioned "Who gives the best blowjob, here?" "I've got 400 for whoever gives the best blowjob." Some of the customers at Phillies were shocked (why some people seemed shocked about sex in a sex capital I'll never know), some of the bitchier LBs flipped their hair at him, but a tall straight black haired sub bottom girl step forward, I knew her from before, her name is Angle and she's usually out on weekends.
Even if you are not as blunt as him it's easy to get down to business with LBs. -Because they're boys after all.
Now on the other side of walking street, near the McDonalds the GG freelancers hang around, oh gawd it's like pull teeth with them, for so many reasons. The top two are; they won't go with you unless you make them feel comfortable, and they have no ideal how to negotiate taking low offers like a personal insult.
This is just a problem in PI in general the GG FLs don't want to feel like prostitutes, now even more bizarrely and ironically if you suggest to a LB or a GG street worker the ideal of staying with you as boyfriend/girlfriend without pay, you've actually got a pretty good chance with the ladyboy, and not much of a chance with the GG. So the gg on the street are more P4P than the ladyboys, but they'll get mad if you treat them as such while the LB won't.
One day while sitting at Paradise beer bar near the McDo, three Freelancing girls came and sat at a table almost in front of me. I committed mentally to taking any of them at whatever price they asked, but I wasn't going to approach them first. (Now, as you can tell, I've got way too much time on my hands, but in my defense I did get some work done on my phone while there) So I sit there, as long as they do (which was about 4 hours), in fact there even was another guy, middle age, not bad looking who came as sat a few seats down from me, he stayed even longer, poor bastard. I was pretty sure he was looking for a date too, but probably didn't know how things work around here. To add more comedy to this (well I thought it was funny anyway) there are always ladyboys walking up and down Fields, they would stop, smile, wave, do a little cat walk like dance trying to get my or his, or any male in the areas, attention, (he seemed 100% straight and ignored them), then they would blow kisses and walk off, not just one group of two LB, but several, or some combination of actions of salesmanship to get a date tonight. Of course they're ladyboys in a town where interest for LB seems much lower than TH so no takers. Meanwhile the girls sat stone faces staring forward and every now and again checking their watches. Only the local PI men working as guards or sellers would come up to them, but they would blow them off. After 4 hours of the girls barely sipping on their mango shakes, the guy beside me going through several coffees and myself polishing off more jack and soda then I can remember, one girl finally says to the others she has to go, another shrugs her shoulders and they all give up and leave. Meanwhile they leave behind at least two customers, maybe more since there were other guys around the bar. I stumble off after they leave and I leave behind the poor guy with his coffee. Now, ok I was drunk, maybe they don't like going with drunk guys, but coffee guy wasn't and they didn't even look at either of us or any other man walking by or in the place. If the girls had put in just 10% of the salemanship that the LB did they would have made money that night... instead this just shows why girls need bars and ladyboys don't.
You might be thinking, well maybe these girls weren't in P4P, and I posted about this type of attitude earlier. No, they are, the thing is you just have to be aggressive with street freelancers, no scratch that, with all girls here, because of that whole thing about not wanting to act like a hooker around here. The local guys knew what was up, but they don't have the money.
I may make the area sound more negative than it is. That's just because I'm a pessimist. Really I get away with being much more of a dick here than I ever could in Thailand.
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, 2000 for the girls . JESUS FUCKING CHRIST! 3000 barfines the best stunner on walking street here, and the ladyboys near Phillys go for as little as 200, or free. if you are younger and a top.
