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Posted 29 November 2009 - 07:16 AM

If anything i would have thought he was their marketing agent


Soz to hear P-diddy. Big ups CJ! And agree with all that has been written. Even when doing half decent promo shots - or as Pete says keeping em clean - you can get yourself in loads of problems... even when getting permission... sigh... prolly for numerous reasons... protecting commercial assets, jealousy, envy, sponsor, whatever, perhaps even Thai BF, family, or your Thai LB gf... nevertheless...i find it sucks not being able to share...

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Posted 29 November 2009 - 07:35 AM

In the "legs" thread some people commented on why I cut-off the heads... Now you know.

But it's not just because I don't want any hassle, it's because I have respect for many of the girls who feature in those pictures and choose to hide their identity on their behalf. Also I personally don't feel it is necessary to post every single fucking picture I've ever taken of a ladyboy on the internet in the first place.

How many times has a guy asked to take a pic of a girl, she says ok, but asks he not put them on the internet... Then big cock gets home and thinks fuck it I'll post them on the forum anyway so everyone thinks I'm such a great mongerer and super-hero. It's the actions of those guys that make me fucking puke more so than a few guys who show a girl a few pics of them on a forum.

However, I know of many guys here who DO ask permission and get it, so no problem, they are the good guys and I hope they never stop.

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Posted 29 November 2009 - 08:51 AM

boarhog, seems we agree on something.
wumme117 caused problems for me FIVE years ago.
he show pictures to ladyboy for what.?
if you check the list of top 50 active users. theres not many of us do trip reports anymore.
enough said.

Oh I think you would find we agree on a lot more than just that. If you weren't so full of yourself you would realise that, and not have the need to bring others down that you think need to be.
Yes although wumme117 doesn't post he will read this soon. In fact the last time I brought his name up over this issue he wrote me a PM saying he would not do this anymore. So lets hope it has curbed his detrimental selfish actions. Again they are doing more harm than good.

As for nudes or action shots getting out. Do these really cause harm? Oh their sponsor might see them with a cock in their face? Well then they shouldn't be allowing that picture to be made then. just look back to former Miss America Vanessa Williams little lesbian shoot that got out after she got crowned. Sure she got stripped of her title. Big whoop everyone still knows her today and can't name another Miss America after most likely. I can't.

How about Pamela Anderson's sex tape getting out. That really ruined her if you call millions coming you way ruined. Paris hilton same way.

If they don't want to on the net naked then don't pose naked. If they want the positive exposure it can bring then go for it. They will have that edge over others who get bent about it. How many times have I read "She wanted me to post these"

Just about every lb I have posted on the forums i have gotten PM's about. Asking for numbers, wherabouts. Some of them surprise as I didn't find them all that attractive or my photos anything special. Its like anything else (advertising, promotions), the more exposure they get the BM and or potential customers they will have.
When a BM read she didn't allow me to take photos then the BM makes a descison to take her or not if that is important to him. I talk about photos before hand. I often take a few shots of them in the bar to feel them out or bring up the subject

BM can talk all this noble respect crap they want, but the fact remains the lbs don't have to pose and they have all pretty much benefitted from it. Some of their sponsorship probably stemmed from someone elses nude shots.
I could give a shit about their sponsor, thats between those two. I had a lb GF for 2 years. Of course she was going out getting cusomers making baht etc.(getting fucked by others) Not that I saw her in others photos, but if I did it may stung, but foremost I hope she would have gotten more money for it if she did. I asked her about this and she said she would do nude poses but no action shots.

If they are so clued in to the forums and internet, then they need to show only what they want shown. If BM want to quit posting out of fear of dramas thats their choice too.
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#88 pacman

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Posted 29 November 2009 - 02:15 PM

This topic of the girls complaining about their pic being shown on the internet without their permission is the subject of several threads on the other forum at the moment.

That there are guys who go around showing girls their pic there can be no doubt. Some of them have been identified but I suspect there are not too many & they (some at least) are not the troublemakers they have been made out to be. (i.e. their intentions aren't to create trouble)

I am not trying to defend the indefensible but I do want to offer my opinion on what we are up against. The real problem for the forums & the picture posters is that they are the victims of a scam.

It is no secret that many girls access the forums to keep tabs on what is happening & to look for incriminating pictures. Ever since it became knowledge that guys can be intimidated into paying "go away" money to smooth over some girl's grief, it was inevitable that the girls in the picture had a new way to make some extra coin.

I am not saying that some girls aren't genuinely upset about pictures of herself in porno poses that can cost her a sponsor or, if the story is correct, can be used by other girls to blackmail her against her family being shown the pics.

All that has happened. But how many boyfriends & sponsors are there really who can't accept that their girl appears on the sites? Especially if she is famous & has appeared in shoots & films. The truth for many of the girls is that they are being paid to wait in the village & they know if the sponsor spots her with someone elses cock in their mouth, there goes the support.

But in the meantime, the day is approaching where every girl will want to try her luck in complaining bitterly about this terrible thing we are alleged to have done. Naturally they can't come straight out & say "look, if you give me one (or two) thousand baht I will let it slide" so they have to ratchet up the moaning so some (not all of us of course) will cave in & offer money for them to leave it.

Lots of pics get taken down now if a girl has a legitimate complaint but it is these opportunists we should be careful of. If a poster won't come across, there is always the girls final option - involve the police. That is the last thing we need.

On my latest trip, I went to great pains to explain that my pics were for the internet. I set clear limits, I wanted them to look nice but there would be no cock pics, nothing to embarrass them. They started with some suspicion, some girls refused straight out but they were all allowed to view their pics afterwards & tell me which pic they didn't like & didn't want posted.

Once they warmed to the idea of meeting more guys through their pics, they really got into it & most girls proved to be natural posers. I don't expect any problems because I let the girls be part of the process. That is a huge difference compared to an unsuspecting girl suddenly being shown a pic of herself in a very compromising situation. No wonder the girls are suspicious...

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Posted 29 November 2009 - 04:33 PM

boarhog and pacman, thank you very much for your valuable opinion.

So, the topic of pictures of LBs has been revived by the situation I witnessed yesterday, where Guss approached me, complained that I posted her pictures on internet, and insisted that I delete those pictures. I have never seen a LB so pissed off and at the same time so hysteric.

First of all, I think I do not do porn photo, but erotic pictures. There was one and only one exception - the duo with Odett and Fanta - but I negotiated this photoshot and they agreed. I think that the photos I post in this forum constitute a promotion for the LBs. Many of them are natural posers and like the camera. Many really liked that I took pictures of them.

I had several experiences with LBs with respect of photos. Going from asking for more, until a clear and firm refusal without a possibility of negotiation. The one asking for more was Odett. She loves the camera and likes to pose. When I asked her if she minds her photos posted on internet, she told me: "No. I understand it as a promotion. The pictures boost my barfines" (this is of course a transliteration - Odett does not speak English so well). Odett may ask for more money if you take pictures.

The second category are LBs agreeing to photographs, even nude ones, but refusing to show their cock. In this category we have Cream and Oh, both from Obsession.

The third category are girls refusing naked photos, or asking me "no naked photos on internet". All C&D girls are in this category. As I was in Patong Beach, Puket, more than one week ago, all the girls told me: "You can post ALL pictures taken in C&D, that is a good promotion for us. However, DO NOT post pictures taken in your room. You understand, we have boyfriends (Nicole and Donut speaking) and they might get upset by seeing us nude on internet". OK, I understand and will respect this, even if the nude pictures I took with Nicole and Donut in my room are nice erotic photos of which Triat45 and Hoot could be fond of. (Patricia, on the contrary, is camera-shy altogether in the room).

This is also the situation with Shirley (a Tequila bar knock-out). She told me: "No naked photos on internet, since I have a husband". Hmm, nice! This is the first time I hear that a LB is speaking of her boyfriend/sponsor as her "husband". Of course, I will respect that too.

Also Cartoon (nr 39 from Obsession) is in this category. She first asked me not to post any photos, now she asks not to post naked photos of her. I always try to negotiate with her - the last one was yesterday evening -, telling her "but you are all over internet with your nude photos anyway. You are one of the most known LB stars", but it does not work. I have no explanation for it.

The fourth category are LBs allowing you to take photos where they are dressed. In this category we have Candy. Even if I tried to negatiate last Monday, telling her "but you have a naked photo pictural on LB69 anyway", she answered "... and that is already too much".

The fifth and last category are LBs who refuse pictures in the room completely. I had the answer from Belle last September: "No pictures, since I have a sponsor in Australia". OK, then no pictures, what can I do. I was pissed off by her behavior, not of her refusal to do pictures.

NOW TO THE MAIN QUESTION.

I always ask whether I can take pictures. I take pictures only if the LB agrees. If there is no other negotiation, I suppose I can post the pictures on this forum. If the LB refuses, I try to negotiate, but I do not insist on taking pictures. If she does not want to, then it is her decision and I respect it. If she poses conditions, I try to negotiate them a little bit, but if they stick to their conditions, I respect them.

Second, the LB69 forum is a so-called closed forum, contrary to other ones. You cannot see the pictures in LB69 without subscribing to the forum. The guests can only read the text, not the pictures. Therefore you also cannot find these pictures only by googling. A membership in this forum means that the member is interested in LBs.

I do not think that the LBs can be blackmailed by third persons showing the pictures to their families. Their families know very well what the LBs do. Their families live from the money earned by them. Moreover, they are not supposed to go back to their villages after 3-4 years of work and "marry" a Thai boy. This is the case of GGs, who categorically refuse pictures exactly for this reason.

I also cannot think of any LB payed by a sponsor/boyfriend/prospective-husband to stay at the village. This is also a GG thing. Of course, no GG does it, but continues to work, therefore she refuses photos completely. The attitude of sponsors/boyfriends of LBs is different, they accept when it does not go over a certain limit (LB's boyfriends reading this forum - please react and give us your opinion). The question is now where the limit is. For me the default is (if the LB does not say otherwise) to post erotic photos. I understand that a boyfriend/sponsor can freak out if he sees a picture of his tilac sucking someone's else cock, but I doubt he would freak out on a nice erotic picture, that promotes his prefered LB.

I also think my pictorals cannot be considered equivalent to a sex-tape of Pamela Anderson or Paris Hilton. These both did erotic photos, especially the first one in Playboy, so a couple of more erotic photos would not harm them. Same for LBs known in Nana bars or freelancers around.

I consider posting erotic photos of LBs on this forum as (1) a promotion of the LBs I met and had a good time with them - I suppose many of the LBs appearing in my pictorals had their barfines boosted - I have only a confirmation from Odett; (2) a service to our community. I have got many requests for the contacts of the LBs from my trip reports. Please, use them wisely.

It would be for me far more easy NOT to post trip reports. It takes time. First I need to sort out and downsize the pictures. Second, since I am not a native English speaker, it takes me much more longer to write the text.

As a conclusion, Guss agreed to photos in my room without explicitly asking me NOT to post them on internet. I am therefore really speachless and shocked now to see her freaking out, especially if my report on her was positive and she has been voted number one in the poll on my September LBs.

Nick Bullseye


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Posted 29 November 2009 - 05:40 PM

Very enjoyable thread to read through. Thanks for the opinions. Good stuff. I for one would be very grateful for a seperate smaller community of 'trusted' members to share stories, pics, vids, et al. Besides that, me being a complete LOS noob still - one year in to date, 3 trips only - have loads of questions and situations i'd like to share and get advice on from the vets on this board yet hesitant to do so on this 'commercial' forum knowing all kinds of visitors hit this forum.

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Posted 29 November 2009 - 05:44 PM

Oh I think you would find we agree on a lot more than just that. If you weren't so full of yourself you would realise that,.


what a prick. :wnkr:
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Posted 29 November 2009 - 06:03 PM

Hey Dutch, that's what I like about the PM system here as you can keep things of a personal nature just that.
I'm no vet but think I'm past the noob stage, so if I can help or advise in anyway, feel free to PM.

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Cheers M8, will do, I struggle using the PM system for this purpose as its one on one. I'd rather just throw it out there and let people react, and react to each other, i have found that v.valuable, problem is I dont want the tom, dicks and harries of this world, nor the subject matters to read my noob venturing, nor misinterpret my lines...anyway, soz for going off track on this one...

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Posted 29 November 2009 - 07:08 PM

So, the topic of pictures of LBs has been revived by the situation I witnessed yesterday, where Guss approached me, complained that I posted her pictures on internet, and insisted that I delete those pictures. I have never seen a LB so pissed off and at the same time so hysteric.

First of all, I think I do not do porn photo, but erotic pictures. There was one and only one exception - the duo with Odett and Fanta - but I negotiated this photoshot and they agreed. I think that the photos I post in this forum constitute a promotion for the LBs. Many of them are natural posers and like the camera. Many really liked that I took pictures of them.

I had several experiences with LBs with respect of photos. Going from asking for more, until a clear and firm refusal without a possibility of negotiation. The one asking for more was Odett. She loves the camera and likes to pose. When I asked her if she minds her photos posted on internet, she told me: "No. I understand it as a promotion. The pictures boost my barfines" (this is of course a transliteration - Odett does not speak English so well). Odett may ask for more money if you take pictures.

The second category are LBs agreeing to photographs, even nude ones, but refusing to show their cock. In this category we have Cream and Oh, both from Obsession.

The third category are girls refusing naked photos, or asking me "no naked photos on internet". All C&D girls are in this category. As I was in Patong Beach, Puket, more than one week ago, all the girls told me: "You can post ALL pictures taken in C&D, that is a good promotion for us. However, DO NOT post pictures taken in your room. You understand, we have boyfriends (Nicole and Donut speaking) and they might get upset by seeing us nude on internet". OK, I understand and will respect this, even if the nude pictures I took with Nicole and Donut in my room are nice erotic photos of which Triat45 and Hoot could be fond of. (Patricia, on the contrary, is camera-shy altogether in the room).

This is also the situation with Shirley (a Tequila bar knock-out). She told me: "No naked photos on internet, since I have a husband". Hmm, nice! This is the first time I hear that a LB is speaking of her boyfriend/sponsor as her "husband". Of course, I will respect that too.

Also Cartoon (nr 39 from Obsession) is in this category. She first asked me not to post any photos, now she asks not to post naked photos of her. I always try to negotiate with her - the last one was yesterday evening -, telling her "but you are all over internet with your nude photos anyway. You are one of the most known LB stars", but it does not work. I have no explanation for it.

The fourth category are LBs allowing you to take photos where they are dressed. In this category we have Candy. Even if I tried to negatiate last Monday, telling her "but you have a naked photo pictural on LB69 anyway", she answered "... and that is already too much".

The fifth and last category are LBs who refuse pictures in the room completely. I had the answer from Belle last September: "No pictures, since I have a sponsor in Australia". OK, then no pictures, what can I do. I was pissed off by her behavior, not of her refusal to do pictures.

NOW TO THE MAIN QUESTION.

I always ask whether I can take pictures. I take pictures only if the LB agrees. If there is no other negotiation, I suppose I can post the pictures on this forum. If the LB refuses, I try to negotiate, but I do not insist on taking pictures. If she does not want to, then it is her decision and I respect it. If she poses conditions, I try to negotiate them a little bit, but if they stick to their conditions, I respect them.

Second, the LB69 forum is a so-called closed forum, contrary to other ones. You cannot see the pictures in LB69 without subscribing to the forum. The guests can only read the text, not the pictures. Therefore you also cannot find these pictures only by googling. A membership in this forum means that the member is interested in LBs.

I do not think that the LBs can be blackmailed by third persons showing the pictures to their families. Their families know very well what the LBs do. Their families live from the money earned by them. Moreover, they are not supposed to go back to their villages after 3-4 years of work and "marry" a Thai boy. This is the case of GGs, who categorically refuse pictures exactly for this reason.

I also cannot think of any LB payed by a sponsor/boyfriend/prospective-husband to stay at the village. This is also a GG thing. Of course, no GG does it, but continues to work, therefore she refuses photos completely. The attitude of sponsors/boyfriends of LBs is different, they accept when it does not go over a certain limit (LB's boyfriends reading this forum - please react and give us your opinion). The question is now where the limit is. For me the default is (if the LB does not say otherwise) to post erotic photos. I understand that a boyfriend/sponsor can freak out if he sees a picture of his tilac sucking someone's else cock, but I doubt he would freak out on a nice erotic picture, that promotes his prefered LB.

I also think my pictorals cannot be considered equivalent to a sex-tape of Pamela Anderson or Paris Hilton. These both did erotic photos, especially the first one in Playboy, so a couple of more erotic photos would not harm them. Same for LBs known in Nana bars or freelancers around.

I consider posting erotic photos of LBs on this forum as (1) a promotion of the LBs I met and had a good time with them - I suppose many of the LBs appearing in my pictorals had their barfines boosted - I have only a confirmation from Odett; (2) a service to our community. I have got many requests for the contacts of the LBs from my trip reports. Please, use them wisely.

It would be for me far more easy NOT to post trip reports. It takes time. First I need to sort out and downsize the pictures. Second, since I am not a native English speaker, it takes me much more longer to write the text.

As a conclusion, Guss agreed to photos in my room without explicitly asking me NOT to post them on internet. I am therefore really speachless and shocked now to see her freaking out, especially if my report on her was positive and she has been voted number one in the poll on my September LBs.


Quoted this to get us back on topic with hte new page and to make a few comments on the peice that Bully put a lot of thought into.

Bully you put Gus on the ladyboy map. The majority of BM's are cock crazy size queens. Her business had to have gone through the roof. You needn't feel bad about anything. In fact if you see her again get all pissy with her and insist on commision for her increased revenues since she last saw you. Have her throw in an apology for good measure.
Those pictures did no harm until somone showed them to her. Maybe she wouldn't pose for the same type of photos for him so he showed her these the next day feeling like he got short changed, who knows.

As for Odette. I asked her if i could take her photo outside Cascades. "Yes....100 baht for five photos" she reeled off 5 poses and that was that.

As for C&D girls they are generally pretty precautious and only pose what they want shown. I took Pat and Bombay and the most they would show was their tits in the bedroom. However Pat pulled out her nuts for shot in the room. Same things she does in the bar. A few days later she had me photogragh her cock on a barstool at the bar.

She used to allow a lot more. then some hero/asswipe showed her Ernestos photos (Paradise Juggler, Wumme117) who knows. I drive her home next morning and she invites me in. She is showing me her fish and then pulls out a box of photos. One is photos Ernesto was kind enough to give her copies of. then she pulls out coloured copies of ones on the net with his face or eyes blocked out. the thing that upset Pat was that Ernesto didn't show himself but showed their faces in the 3 and 4 somes.

When I asked her who made these copies, she says some customer. I asked her where he was from? Get this she couldn't even remmber where this white night was from. He was a vapour to her. I asked her what she would do if Ernesto came back, which I knew he was the next month. I will tell him nice pictures and show him these. Well Ernesto came as planned, and she enough he took Pat who still went with him. The photos were a little more toned down than usual.
So what did the informant get out of it? The joy of initially upsetting her about it.

Speaking of C&D girls and what they won't show in the bedroom. check Arab Libanion's trip report: http://lb-69.com/for...amp_Dreams.html
He consistantly had them posing for him on consecutive nights. Even with them talking to each other they were still willing to pose for the camera. They showed more for him than others. Bombay, Seya, and Sonya all allowed him more than they did for me? He posted them while he was there as well. Do they know about this thread? Maybe. Will some dickhead show one or more of them these photos. Most definitely. If they already know, what do they do? Pretend their mad just to please the informant.
This is why we can't worry about them getting bent about it when they willingly posed for the camera. They have a choice. Screw these permission slips. If they have the fear they may land on the net, then don't pose. If they don't want to promote themselves at all don't pose in the bar that simple. If they want xtra cash for posing set your price.

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#95 khunjohn

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Posted 29 November 2009 - 08:19 PM

Many sites have advanced members sections where it's supposedly safer to post pictures. While this may slow down the girls seeing their pictures it does not stop it, eventually some trusted member shows the pictures.

I wonder if we should use a solution favored by sites that sell non-drm music. When a picture is delivered to a member's web browser that member's hande is embedded in the EXIF information of the picture. That way if the member emails the picture to a girl and she gets all upset by it, then one could examine the picture with an exif reader and find the handle of the member (assuming that the email address wasn't good enough).

#96 RobiSLO

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Posted 29 November 2009 - 09:38 PM

Many sites have advanced members sections where it's supposedly safer to post pictures. While this may slow down the girls seeing their pictures it does not stop it, eventually some trusted member shows the pictures.

I wonder if we should use a solution favored by sites that sell non-drm music. When a picture is delivered to a member's web browser that member's hande is embedded in the EXIF information of the picture. That way if the member emails the picture to a girl and she gets all upset by it, then one could examine the picture with an exif reader and find the handle of the member (assuming that the email address wasn't good enough).


Does this information stays attached if you remove Properties and Personal Information in picture details?

BR




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