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[Rossco]

The answer is simple - AIDS - got your attention!

Nothing to do with price of drinks nor drug testing.

It is customary for bar owners to check:

1) Age of employee - Triple X had this problem and now all are checked. You cannot demand to check a Freelancer but I am sure if asked if she is underage she will disappear quick enough.

2) It is customary for Bar owners to have every member of working staff checked for STD's every month and for HIV every 3 months.

A recent incident at a GG GoGo - girl tested positive for HIV - she is now freelance - I will not be looking for her.

As more guys do bareback (GG or LB) the risk is higher.

The staff are normally expected to pay for their own test and present the certificate to the mamasan. No certificate no work. Simple

3) Bar owners have a moral obligation, to their customers, re their staff - instances of theft, violence, bad behaviour. The customer can ask the bar to assist. This assistance may just be the address and telephone number of the offender or the bar may take more direct action.

So there it is - the need to know whether staff is nothing to do with Ladydrinks, Drinks, Bar Fines, Pedigree etc - it is there to protect the employee, the bar owner and the customer.

Many bars operate on Tempoary help when in high season but these satff are, to all intents and purposes, subject to the 3 checks above.

Freelancers (as the old Beach Road crowd were) have no obligations - they show up at a bar and can take a customer. I often wonder why the Bar takes a BF because they are not serving the customers best interest.

Drugs - this is a side issue. Some staff are concerned about drugs showing up in urine tests. Check out a regular GoGo - look at the eyes - most of them could not perform with some kind of upper. The test is for STD and HIV. If an employee refuses the test - no work.

So I hope that explains the need to separate "workers" into Staff and Freelance. If the customer knows then it is up to him.

Personally I think if a bar accepts a BF then they should have done the 3 checks - otherwise they are self employed freelancers. I would not take someone from a bar unless I knew the checks had been done.

[batman4ever]

wauww...you can copypaste....

i think its way more "complicated" than you write... i think there is just as many answers to this questions as there are ladyboys.. :wink:

i know that 131 (among other lb bars have freelancers)but to compare the freelancers that iwe seen around francks bar with freelancers on the beach...is niether polite or thrue... :evil:

but what the f... we cant all be as perfect as the neighbour...

EDIT:...and btw...i belive that some of the girls do take "short times in a bar" as freelancers...just to see if they like to work there.. :wink:

[matchman]

The answer is simple - AIDS - got your attention!

Nothing to do with price of drinks nor drug testing.

It is customary for bar owners to check:

1) Age of employee - Triple X had this problem and now all are checked. You cannot demand to check a Freelancer but I am sure if asked if she is underage she will disappear quick enough.

2) It is customary for Bar owners to have every member of working staff checked for STD's every month and for HIV every 3 months.

A recent incident at a GG GoGo - girl tested positive for HIV - she is now freelance - I will not be looking for her.

As more guys do bareback (GG or LB) the risk is higher.

The staff are normally expected to pay for their own test and present the certificate to the mamasan. No certificate no work. Simple

3) Bar owners have a moral obligation, to their customers, re their staff - instances of theft, violence, bad behaviour. The customer can ask the bar to assist. This assistance may just be the address and telephone number of the offender or the bar may take more direct action.

So there it is - the need to know whether staff is nothing to do with Ladydrinks, Drinks, Bar Fines, Pedigree etc - it is there to protect the employee, the bar owner and the customer.

Many bars operate on Tempoary help when in high season but these satff are, to all intents and purposes, subject to the 3 checks above.

Freelancers (as the old Beach Road crowd were) have no obligations - they show up at a bar and can take a customer. I often wonder why the Bar takes a BF because they are not serving the customers best interest.

Drugs - this is a side issue. Some staff are concerned about drugs showing up in urine tests. Check out a regular GoGo - look at the eyes - most of them could not perform with some kind of upper. The test is for STD and HIV. If an employee refuses the test - no work.

So I hope that explains the need to separate "workers" into Staff and Freelance. If the customer knows then it is up to him.

Personally I think if a bar accepts a BF then they should have done the 3 checks - otherwise they are self employed freelancers. I would not take someone from a bar unless I knew the checks had been done.

Yes as always you've got my attention but for all the wrong reasons

I do worry about misinformation, first there is NO law that I am aware of in Thailand that requires HIV test of staff, (and from my limited talks to owners of establishments I would suggest it is customary here NOT to check, but there are some places that do.) so suggesting that punters are safe going with a Salaried staff over a Freelance as you have done in the post is just dangerous. (Bars have differing policies and many do NOT test for HIV! On the subject ANY GG/LB you go with could have be HIV infected even when a bar/gogo does have a policy of testing as they can get infected between tests! So always be sane and safe, there are no iron clad guartees and you are responsible for your own actions!.)

I will agree that most places test for Drugs which is an issue as a bar with salaried staff who use drugs face the possibility of being closed, but ALL the bars GG/LB i visitied all said they took responsibilty for thier staff Freelance/Salaried. IMHO that just means there either a good place and will follow up complaints or will simply ignore all irregardless of whether its freelance or salaried staff involved.)

As to the issue of age it all depends on the bar, 131 for example all freelance staff must provide an ID card showing that they are of legal age and a photo copy is kept, of course many other places Blue Ice for one dont seem to do this.

I love how simple the post makes it sound, but this is Thailand and there are no definitives, I'm sure you would like there to be (as would I) but thats simply not the case and suggesting that there are is giving folks incorrect information.

At the end of the day WE as individuals are responsible for checking ages and hopefully practicing safe sex. Implying in any manner that its somehow safer seeing one type of employed person in the P4P industry here is safer than another is not a good idea.

My experience of the Bar scene here is there are good bars and bad bars and it has nothing to do with the staff employment type its based on the bar owner! IMHO XXX is one of the good bars and one I am often been seen in because LBCaptain runs it well and I would say the same is true for 131.

[Rossco]

I would hate to give out misinformation so have checked out the situation:

Lawyer advises:

There is no lefgal obligation to test for STD/HIV but it is recommended and seen as taking repsonsibility

Age check is a legal requirement for employers - no one under 18 must be "emplyed" by the bar - not sure where that leaves freelancers for who a bar takes Bar Fine

Responsibility - bar owners have details of all employees - copy of ID card and should a customer have a serious complaint re theft etc the bar owner will normally assist with passing information to the customer, who may approach the police, in a serious situation, but may not take direct action

Still does not really answer the "staff" vs "freelance'" question but an informative diversion - any more? I suppose I am surprised that it is so difficult to state the obvious. But then I am often surprised!

Re Blue Ice - no BF so all Freelance and up to customer. I do not know many GG bars where the owner allows/encourages freelancers - seen as competition to regular staff.

[matchman]

Hi Rossco,

Thanks for clearing it up, as I said I think the main item is the individual bar policy that is important.

Franck will probably correct me if I'm wrong but I believe his policy is monthly drug tests for Salaried staff + ID cards copied for the records.

For Freelancers appearing at his bar more than three times they must also provide ID cards and fillout an application form showing all their details. (Also retained for records which he will pass to customer/police if problems occur as he would with Staff.)

Freelance staff are asked to take drug tests and if they do not they maybe asked to leave. (Pond for example always gets tested with the others and I have seen at least one freelancer be asked to go when the staff thought drugs might be involved.)

I know that talking sometimes with Franck he is always peeved that Thai law is so unclear, his bar could be closed if raided and a LB is found to have drugs in their system who does not have a recent test, but that rule is generally applied to any THAI LB in the bar during the raid so someone just walking in off the street who is tested positive could close the bar. (Even when not staff or freelance.) I am guessing this causes nightmares to all the Bar/Gogo places as they cannot control or test everyone who walks into the bar.

(Laugh I just had a mental picture of a tube at the door and Porn asking all the Ladies to pee into the tube pefore being allowed in to the bar area.)

[yung havok]

hmmm interesting points you bring up rossco i gave pond the good ole barebackfudgepack special when i was last in pattaya maybe i should go get myself tested

[franck]

But before the gracious Mo my evening started wit a nice dinner with June's companion ...

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[franck]

Back to 131, the first beautiful face.
Pink ...

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[franck]

Later on, with the hunters already here, my favorite visitor come to see me.
Wrong place at the wrong time as the dangerous Irish Voodoo started to keep winkle at her.

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[franck]

To celebrate the 200.000 views in my diary, these two had promised me a special party tonight... :twisted:

I wish I'm lucky :wink:

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[franck]

Hmmm, it will be a hell of a party, before the other planned two parties -
Friday: Oh's Happy Birthday
Saturday: THE HUNTERS NIGHT

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[franck]

Damn, frank. Mo is stunning. Good job, and thanks for pics.

Almost as nice as Aey. Did she show up?

Yes Rickard.. Aey was here more beautiful then ever. I'm sorry if I didn't take the promised pics (too busy...) but I'll do it by tomorrow.

Pity that you're not here for the parties as the premises are quite good.

Friday, (sponsored by Batman4ever) Oh's Anniversary. Rich buffet, based in seafood, Pool competition with prize money between the staff "Batman's tournement" and some more surprises.

Saturday, (sponsored by Pat Tire - The Hunter's King, Voodoo - why I hate him today :evil: , Matchman - my "son", as everybody says :evil: , and Dirtyfinger - too handsum for my taste ), THE HUNTERS NIGHT - the title says it all, with the richest buffet ever presented in someone else party, composed with French cuisine, roasted Pork made it in front of the bar, King Prawns - Portuguese style, and many many surprises...