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#13 SeekingInfo

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 06:48 AM

Test on the next day, now this makes perfect sence... :roll:

Third generation elisa antibody tests are sensitive enough to detect HIV antibodies as soon as 6 weeks after exposure. That is a solid amount of peace of mind.

In fact, the "3 month window" the guy above was quoted, is only for people with impaired (slow) immune systems already. Those people take longer to show positive. 99% of people show positive at 6 weeks. They have to say 3 months purely for the "outliers". Purely to get everyone included.

This may be scoffed at on this forum (i would hope not) but is there a place you can get girls tested? Im sure if you offer them some cash they'd be happy to do it. Might be weird, but honestly I don't give a flying shit, if it means I can have fun with some peace of mind.

Im actually pretty appalled that the clubs dont require their girls to get tested. They do it in the Philippines. Thailand is insanely behind the times if they are not getting their girls tested regularly.

As for risk - some quick tips that will help - always ... always .... always urinate after sex. Right when you're done, dismiss yourself to the bathroom and force some piss out. This rinses bacteria and any potential other cooties out. Very important.

If you're concerned (as you should be) about things condoms dont protect against like Herpes - know that the HSV virus cannot live in the presence of Hydrogen Peroxide. Herpes is transmittable anywhere in the "boxers area". Thats the whole pelvis. Condom doesn't do a damn thing except protect your shaft.

99% of herpes transmissions happen when no sores are present. There is a "prodrome" (google it) period of several days before a sore appears where the virus is multiplying on the persons skin. You wont see a sore, but you will get herpes if your upper thigh touches their upper thigh.

Knowing this - peroxide kills the herpes virus. I have no problem sloshing on a bit of peroxide after I take a piss, after sex. Like aftershave lotion :) You will kill any skin born viruses fairly effectively this way. If you have some rubbing alcohol, feel free to use that too. I know guys who have unprotected sex and shoot colloidal silver up their urethras... so I consider my methods to be very effective and much more normal :)

#14 drhoneytongue

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 08:16 AM

Third generation elisa antibody tests are sensitive enough to detect HIV antibodies as soon as 6 weeks after exposure. That is a solid amount of peace of mind.


PCR HIV Tests measure HIV DNA directly, and do not need to wait for the formation of antibodies. Results can be generated in two weeks.

Diagnostic blood tests for AIDS are usually given to persons in high-risk populations who may have been exposed to HIV or who have the early symptoms of AIDS. Most persons infected with HIV will develop a detectable level of antibody within three months of infection. The condition of testing positive for HIV antibody in the blood is called seroconversion, and persons who have become HIV-positive are called seroconverters.

It is possible to diagnose HIV infection by isolating the virus itself from a blood sample or by demonstrating the presence of HIV antigen in the blood. Viral culture, however, is expensive, not widely available, and slow—it takes 28 days to complete the viral culture test. More common are blood tests that work by detecting the presence of antibodies to the HIV virus. These tests are inexpensive, widely available, and accurate in detecting 99.9% of AIDS infections when used in combination to screen patients and confirm diagnoses.

ENZYME-LINKED IMMUNOSORBENT ASSAY (ELISA). This type of blood test is used to screen blood for transfusions as well as diagnose patients. An ELISA test for HIV works by attaching HIV antigens to a plastic well or beads. A sample of the patient's blood serum is added, and excess proteins are removed. A second antibody coupled to an enzyme is added, followed by addition of a substance that will cause the enzyme to react by forming a color. An instrument called a spectrophotometer can measure the color. The name of the test is derived from the use of the enzyme that is coupled or linked to the second antibody.

The latest generation of ELISA tests are 99.5% sensitive to HIV. Occasionally, the ELISA test will be positive for a patient without symptoms of AIDS from a lowrisk group. Because this result is likely to be a false-positive, the ELISA must be repeated on the same sample of the patient's blood. If the second ELISA is positive, the result should be confirmed by the Western blot test.

WESTERN BLOT (IMMUNOBLOT). The Western blot or immunoblot test is used as a reference procedure to confirm the diagnosis of AIDS. In Western blot testing, HIV antigen is purified by electrophoresis (large protein molecules are suspended in a gel and separated from one another by running an electric current through the gel). The HIV antigens are attached by blotting to a nylon or nitrocellulose filter. The patient's serum is reacted against the filter, followed by treatment with developing chemicals that allow HIV antibody to show up as a colored patch or blot. A commercially produced Western blot test for HIV-1 is now available. It consists of a prefabricated strip that is incubated with a sample of the patient's blood serum and the developing chemicals. About nine different HIV-1 proteins can be detected in the blots.

When used in combination with ELISA testing, Western blot testing is 99.9% specific. It can, however, yield false negatives in patients with very early HIV infection and in those infected by HIV-2. In some patients the Western blot yields indeterminate results.

IMMUNOFLUORESCENCE ASSAY (IFA). This method is sometimes used to confirm ELISA results instead of Western blotting. An IFA test detects the presence of HIV antibody in a sample of the patient's serum by mixing HIV antigen with a fluorescent chemical, adding the blood sample, and observing the reaction under a microscope with ultraviolet light.

POLYMERASE CHAIN REACTION (PCR). This test is used to evaluate the very small number of AIDS patients with false-negative ELISA and Western blot tests. These patients are sometimes called antibody-negative asymptomatic (without symptoms) carriers, because they do not have any symptoms of AIDS and there is no detectable quantity of antibody in the blood serum. Antibody-negative asymptomatic carriers may be responsible for the very low ongoing risk of HIV infection transmitted by blood transfusions. It is estimated that the risk is between 1 in 10,000 and 1 in 100,000 units of transfused blood.

The polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test can measure the presence of viral nucleic acids in the patient's blood even when there is no detectable antibody to HIV. This test works by amplifying the presence of HIV nucleic acids in a blood sample. Numerous copies of a gene are made by separating the two strands of DNA containing the gene segment, marking its location, using DNA polymerase to make a copy, and then continuously replicating the copies. It is questionable whether PCR will replace Western blotting as the method of confirming AIDS diagnoses. Although PCR can detect the low number of persons (1%) with HIV infections that have not yet generated an antibody response to the virus, the overwhelming majority of infected persons will be detected by ELISA screening within one to three months of infection. In addition, PCR testing is based on present knowledge of the genetic sequences in HIV. Since the virus is continually generating new variants, PCR testing could yield a false negative in patients with these new variants.

So you can see that professional interpretation of results is necessary.

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#15 SeekingInfo

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 03:44 PM

PCR HIV Tests measure HIV DNA directly, and do not need to wait for the formation of antibodies. Results can be generated in two weeks.

PCR tests are not widely available to the public. At least not in the united states. They are not approved for testing the "worried well" but for quantifying the HIV positive person's overall status. They are awesome as a diagnostic test in my opinion purely because of how sensitive they are though! The window period for PCR DNA is actually down to 7 days now. PCR RNA tests are at 14 days. Also the turnaround time is not as fast. You can get an OraSure/OraQuick finger prick test done and accurate results in 20 minutes. Biggest obstacle with the PCR test is lack of availability and cost. So at this point I dont think this test is a viable option. Not sure if the PCR tests are more widely available in Thailand?

Most persons infected with HIV will develop a detectable level of antibody within three months of infection.

Actually, as previously stated, "most people" will develop antibodies after 6 weeks. Familiarization with the actual studies, participants, and "counts" is important for proper phrasing here. (PubMed). Its upwards of 99% of people who seroconvert by day 42. The outliers such as smokers and those with already-impaired immune systems (as explained in my previous post) make up the remaining 1% that can take up to 3 full months. But this is not the norm by a longshot.

So you can see that professional interpretation of results is necessary.

A dramatic concern for having "professional interpretation" of test results is only necessary if you decide to get one of the more complex tests. As I already stated, the vast majority of the public has no access to such tests anyways, so its a fairly moot point. Any testing 99% of people will get done will be ELISA antibody tests which are a solid "positive" or "negative" (99.5% of the time). Pretty simple. Doctors aren't as necessary as they once were. Thank God for the drastic increase in available information to the general public. Might reduce some job security for some folks, but it might also force them to start doing some more continuing education rather than sitting in their offices with God complexes, like most doctors I know do!

#16 aussieguy

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 04:19 PM

30/40%...love the way these people get these figures..."from hearing it from someone or somewhere"...don't worry about figures...just remember always wear a condom...."be careful out there"

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 06:59 AM

I had a condom break while receiving once.
I'd run out of good condoms and used the shitty Thai brand in the room.


Tsssk, Tsssk, first mistake, gotta protect yourself to the best of your capabilities. You dodged a bullet there.

#18 dixon cox

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 07:03 AM

I had a condom break while receiving once.
I'd run out of good condoms and used the shitty Thai brand in the room.

Tsssk, Tsssk, first mistake, gotta protect yourself to the best of your capabilities. You dodged a bullet there.


It's not big and it's not clever, but you'll probably find most members perform oral without.

It's banging one up the chimney where you need a party hat for sure.

Each to their own :P

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#19 udrees

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 01:27 PM

It's not big and it's not clever, but you'll probably find most members perform oral without.

it is because no stories registered about getting AIDS during oral sex.

#20 rayton

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 03:51 PM


It's not big and it's not clever, but you'll probably find most members perform oral without.

it is because no stories registered about getting AIDS during oral sex.


a guy on the other board admitted to catching hiv from performing oral. also my std clinic seem to have changed their minds about it too, they used to say the risk was minimal but at my recent test they said it was a miricle (sp) that i hadn't caught it after letting 2 LBs cum in my mouth.

#21 dixon cox

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 06:49 PM

This is a tedious subject for discussion in the first place.

Did you think people would come on and start suggesting they have AIDS or produce a list of girls or friends who have it?

The P4P scene has it's risks, it's up to you what YOU do about it as you already know the obvious.

More people die in traffic accidents on the roads than suffer from AIDS, but we still drive all the time. But admittedly most cars are fitted with airbags as standard, a cock is not.

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#22 daones

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Posted 09 March 2008 - 02:56 PM

Not a story of AIDS but HIV.. hit close to home for me.. my gf's ex bf came up with HIV.. they had been broken up for 18 months.. and he was going around with LB's often im guessing. i also know he was taking drugs, but i know for a fact he now has HIV because i spoke with him in person.
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#23 BKKtime

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 08:15 AM

Bag up, lube up and the chances of getting struck by lightning are higher than contracting hiv. Hf

#24 Kinkoy

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Posted 14 September 2008 - 03:23 PM

I always thought that many of the AIDS numbers was way over the top.
This is article is taken from Pattaya mail, and it is not an estimate on how many AIDS patient there are in Pattaya, but it gives you something to compare with.
The give away a monthly life long welfare, and if you have AIDS all you have to do is ask.
Other groups, elderly and disables has to apply, with details about there life including photos of there homes.
So it is much easier for the AIDS patient to get money, then the rest.
But the AIDS patients are the smallest group anyway!! In Pattaya, city of sin!!!

"Wutisak said that the AIDS patients do not have to be checked by the officials, because there are no evaluations for considering this. The only thing they must do is send their names to the Pattaya Social Welfare Office, and they will receive assistance right away.
This year sees 273 people receiving assistance. Overall this consists of 81 people selected in 2004, 74 people selected in 2005, 35 people selected in 2006, and 83 people selected in 2007. The last group of 83 people selected will be presented with assistance, which will be the first time for them.
This is the second time the 2007 government allowance ceremony has distributed income to 93 people. They consist of 66 elderly people, 18 disabled people, and nine AIDS patients. Officials from the Krung Thai Bank South Pattaya office also participated in this ceremony, in order to help these people concerning opening bank accounts. They are able to have their money deposited in the bank every month."

http://www.pattayama...news.shtml#hd13
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