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[baldieboy]

^ Of course it will "jep". That's the challenge, to make em want it anyway. :-) And that's what they want. That's what I would... oops not want never ever cause I don't do those kind of things. :-) ...feelings, lubricants and being a considerate lover... And of course not being a fast cheap Charlie in a shitty short time room without things aforementioned.

I had only one totally bad experience last time in LOS, the lady totally lied to me, I always say everything what I want and rather go with the ugly and horny one than the beautiful but distant. She faked everything and did none of the things I said I want, I said the only thing don't like is blowjob and that was about all what she offered in addition to akward hand job. In the bright lights of the elevator getting out and back on the track I noticed needle marks on her arm. She didn't go back to the famous LB bar of Nana(!) but straight to taxi almost running, surely for a fix.

[bkk7]

All of them bottom, 95% will top. I bet what bkk7 really wants is colors/ribbons/numbers for cock size to go up in his ass but that would kill the diversity and element of surprise. So no coding of any kind please. :-)

 

what BKK7 means is that he wants to know who will top him without having to ask such a direct question. a lot of the more dominant gurls who are more outgoing will most likely top, but that's not true for the cute ones, who i generally like. usually when we get back to my place, they are wanting me to do the topping.. 

 

so yes, coding please.

[bkk7]

These figures must be based on percentages of the 70% of all ladyboys who actually do anything which even remotely resembles penetrative sex in either direction.

 

 

30% of all do as little as they can possibly get away with. "You too big", "jep, cannot", "I take hormone" etc., etc.. All revealed once you've committed yourself, of course. When it's all over you even feel lucky to have received a feeble blowjob or a hand job and you're made to feel grateful for that.

 

All part of refining your interview process.

 

everyone i go with is one or the other. it's not often that i get a versatile gurl. 

 

i've never had a gurl refuse either one. 

 

that said, when i see a cute gurl and call her over to drink with me, i don't jump right to 'do you top?' because i like to get to talk to a gurl first. it's not the easiest thing to work into a conversation. i like it to feel more natural. if i just 'knew' then it would be easier. i wouldn't waste my time calling a gurl over to drink if she wasn't what i was looking for. i'd spend more time hanging out with another gurl to see if we click in other ways before the bar fine, etc.

[Spyder Rocket]

I want a color coded system that tells me how many times they have fucked on a particular night, and a some kind of banana or noodle symbol that tells me the strength and duration of their erection.

You know what else would be helpful?

If the bar owners would install some kind of neon light in each LB's forehead that indicates what kind of mood they are in. Plus, I want the neon light to start pulsating if the LB tells a lie, either that, or maybe have an audible buzzer go off whenever they lie.

In addition, I want the bar owners to develop some kind of App that transmits the LB's location, a few pictures of their cock, their health and hygiene status to my iPhone.

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced it is better to just take the entire human element out of the equation.

I now think the bar owners should just develop an entire fleet of ladyboy robots that will efficiently do whatever I command.

Oh, and I want plenty of cheap beer specials and free soda water.

[bkk7]

I want a color coded system that tells me how many times they have fucked on a particular night, and a some kind of banana or noodle symbol that tells me the strength and duration of their erection.

You know what else would be helpful?

If the bar owners would install some kind of neon light in each LB's forehead that indicates what kind of mood they are in. Plus, I want the neon light to start pulsating if the LB tells a lie, either that, or maybe have an audible buzzer go off whenever they lie.

In addition, I want the bar owners to develop some kind of App that transmits the LB's location, a few pictures of their cock, their health and hygiene status to my iPhone.

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced it is better to just take the entire human element out of the equation.

I now think the bar owners should just develop an entire fleet of ladyboy robots that will efficiently do whatever I command.

Oh, and I want plenty of cheap beer specials and free soda water.

 

geez, it seems like you're really taking this to the extreme to make a point. seriously, what you said is ridiculous. all i suggested was a couple of different number buttons like this: http://wpsites.net/w...mber-circle.png top, bottom, versatile... 

 

barking up the wrong tree sucks. 

 

and in case you haven't spent much time in Pattaya, several bars there have implemented ways to distinguish between their Coyote girls and Gogo girls so you don't waste your time. 

[rxpharm]

If you are uncomfortable taking the time to speak to the lb to determine if she can top or bottom, then it is difficult to imagine how you could feel comfortable having sex with her.

 

The Pattaya bars implemented that because Coyote girls have a higher barfine than regular go go girls, clearly to make sure the customer cannot argue after the fact. This is a much different proposition.

[Spyder Rocket]

geez, it seems like you're really taking this to the extreme to make a point. seriously, what you said is ridiculous. all i suggested was a couple of different number buttons like this: http://wpsites.net/w...mber-circle.png top, bottom, versatile...

barking up the wrong tree sucks.

and in case you haven't spent much time in Pattaya, several bars there have implemented ways to distinguish between their Coyote girls and Gogo girls so you don't waste your time.

Sorry dude, I was just having a little fun at your expense; I understood where you are coming from with your suggestion.

Depending what type of club you are in, and how loud the music is, the English ability of the LB, having even a very basic conversation can be challenging. If I was going to request anything from the bar owners in Nana, it would be to turn down the volume of the music a little; however, that is probably part of their marketing strategy. Nana Plaza is a giant brothel, they make money getting you in and out the door quickly. That loud music helps them keep the punters moving through the club, so I don't really expect them to turn it down.

While I do understand you not wanting to come across as a jerk by immediately asking questions about cock size and performance, you are in a brothel, you shouldn't feel awkward. There really isn't anyway to avoid the bluntness of the transaction in a place like Nana, so you might as well embrace it.

Cascade and Obsessions have some of the prettiest LBs around, but the drawback of places like that is the rushed feel of the negotiation and the transaction.

Even if you spend a few minutes talking with an LB that isn't what you are looking for, so what, it is part of the game.

However, I've never had much of a problem chatting with the LBs and trying to extract information from them.

As far as working questions about the functionality of their cock into the conversation, you can start off with the normal banter about name, age, and then transition into questions about how long they have been living as an LB. From there, you can get into questions about if they are taking hormones or not. At this point, they have very likely brought up the subject of bar fine, so you should feel free to ask them anything you want.

Sorry about poking fun at you earlier, hopefully it made someone chuckle.

[bkk7]

Sorry dude, I was just having a little fun at your expense; I understood where you are coming from with your suggestion.

Depending what type of club you are in, and how loud the music is, the English ability of the LB, having even a very basic conversation can be challenging. If I was going to request anything from the bar owners in Nana, it would be to turn down the volume of the music a little; however, that is probably part of their marketing strategy. Nana Plaza is a giant brothel, they make money getting you in and out the door quickly. That loud music helps them keep the punters moving through the club, so I don't really expect them to turn it down.

While I do understand you not wanting to come across as a jerk by immediately asking questions about cock size and performance, you are in a brothel, you shouldn't feel awkward. There really isn't anyway to avoid the bluntness of the transaction in a place like Nana, so you might as well embrace it.

Cascade and Obsessions have some of the prettiest LBs around, but the drawback of places like that is the rushed feel of the negotiation and the transaction.

Even if you spend a few minutes talking with an LB that isn't what you are looking for, so what, it is part of the game.

However, I've never had much of a problem chatting with the LBs and trying to extract information from them.

As far as working questions about the functionality of their cock into the conversation, you can start off with the normal banter about name, age, and then transition into questions about how long they have been living as an LB. From there, you can get into questions about if they are taking hormones or not. At this point, they have very likely brought up the subject of bar fine, so you should feel free to ask them anything you want.

Sorry about poking fun at you earlier, hopefully it made someone chuckle.

 

no problem. i guess the humor was lost on me

 

you bring up some points like the volume/English level making some communication difficult, and i've encountered that for sure. that only complicates the asking of certain questions even more.

 

i have been to, for example, Cascades enough times to know the type of place i am in, but i still haven't asked before i've gotten the LB back to my place. there is an LB there named Mild (who is actually an awesome person but is currently pissed at me for some reason) who i thought might top, but i didn't ask, so i didn't find out until we were at my condo that she only bottomed, which was a letdown. they don't intentionally keep the answers from you, but yeah, it would be easier if they just had something subtle. when you're at a GG bar, you know who the top and bottom is because she doesn't have a dick, but when things aren't so obvious, why not make it just a little easier. hell, even make all of the buttons white with colored numbers...

 

it's not like it will happen, but it would be nice if it did. i don't see why anybody would protest against it. 

[Spyder Rocket]

no problem. i guess the humor was lost on me

you bring up some points like the volume/English level making some communication difficult, and i've encountered that for sure. that only complicates the asking of certain questions even more.

i have been to, for example, Cascades enough times to know the type of place i am in, but i still haven't asked before i've gotten the LB back to my place. there is an LB there named Mild (who is actually an awesome person but is currently pissed at me for some reason) who i thought might top, but i didn't ask, so i didn't find out until we were at my condo that she only bottomed, which was a letdown. they don't intentionally keep the answers from you, but yeah, it would be easier if they just had something subtle. when you're at a GG bar, you know who the top and bottom is because she doesn't have a dick, but when things aren't so obvious, why not make it just a little easier. hell, even make all of the buttons white with colored numbers...

it's not like it will happen, but it would be nice if it did. i don't see why anybody would protest against it.

Your idea about colored numbers isn't terrible, but I can see where some LBs might object to advertising themselves as tops. What happens when the inevitable big fat stinky tourist waddles in the door looking for tops?

From a bar manager's perspective, however simple it might be, it is yet another thing to keep track of and yet another expense, however small. Then they'd have to educate their customers on the color coded system with signs. I can easily see the average bar manager brushing that idea aside. Especially since (pun intended) it will have zero impact on their bottom line.

Try using this approach and let me know how it goes.

Open with the normal banter, introductions and compliments, all that crap, but don't bring up bar fines first. In a place like Cascades, the LB will bring it up quickly, so you shouldn't waste too much time.

Once the LB opens the door, you can say something like, "I don't know. What do you like to do? You have power? Can get strong?" Etcetera and so on...

It will probably cost you a lady drink, but I've chatted with a LBs in there without buying lady drinks before. As it has been said in here many times before, nothing is fool proof, expect a dud once in a while, but if you are getting mostly duds, then it might be your interview process.

Since you mentioned taking them back to your condo, I guess you are going LT with them. I usually avoid going long time, unless I've been with them before. I hate the short time rooms in Nana, but I would prefer a ST test run before I go LT with an LB.

Besides, from some of the LBs financial perspectives, they can actually lose money going LT depending on what time of the night it is. That alone will increase the odds that they go to their standard bag of tricks to get out of your condo as soon as possible.

Another thing to consider if you are taking them LT, is offering them a Viagra. I like the very feminine LBs too and I have found that it works on LBs that are on hormones. Maybe keep some Zantac on hand to counteract the indigestion it causes.

Despite the fact that they are prostitutes, I still try to be charming and fun to be with, I'm assuming that you do that too, and since you apparently live in BKK, I'm guessing you are getting a handle on some of the cultural differences.

Other than that, I don't know what else to say except good luck!

[Spyder Rocket]

If you are uncomfortable taking the time to speak to the lb to determine if she can top or bottom, then it is difficult to imagine how you could feel comfortable having sex with her.

The Pattaya bars implemented that because Coyote girls have a higher barfine than regular go go girls, clearly to make sure the customer cannot argue after the fact. This is a much different proposition.

I am ignorant as to what the term coyote girl means. I always thought it meant coyote ugly, as if you woke up the morning after and found a coyote girl laying on your arm, you'd chew your arm off so you could escape her apartment without waking her up. They way a coyote will chew their forepaw off to escape a trap.

I know that there was a movie a few years back titled, Coyote Girls, but I never saw it.

Enlighten me, what the fuck is a coyote girl and why do they come at a premium?

[dixon cox]

All the time the conversation

 

that said, when i see a cute gurl and call her over to drink with me, i don't jump right to 'do you top?' because i like to get to talk to a gurl first. it's not the easiest thing to work into a conversation. i like it to feel more natural. 

 

That's when I surreptitiously pay her barfine from two rows back having watched you dithering because I've been with her before and taken the chance myself and know what she's capable of and willing to do for her remuneration.

 

Actually, it's highly unlikely I'd do that but I know people who would and there's plenty of them about.

 

It is possible to have a great time with a girl even if you sexually didn't achieve what you'd hoped for. The only way to truly know if you two are compatible is to give her a twirl around the bedroom (or ST room) and see for yourself.

 

I understand what you're saying about colour-coding tags etc., but this just adds to the already mechanical nature of some of the girls and it's hardly likely you'll hear the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth during your ladydrink interviews anyway.

 

This last bit is not aimed at you bkk7, but I wish more guys would just try something out for themselves without having to have every parameter confirmed beforehand by someone else. 

[rxpharm]

I am ignorant as to what the term coyote girl means. I always thought it meant coyote ugly, as if you woke up the morning after and found a coyote girl laying on your arm, you'd chew your arm off so you could escape her apartment without waking her up. They way a coyote will chew their forepaw off to escape a trap.

I know that there was a movie a few years back titled, Coyote Girls, but I never saw it.

Enlighten me, what the fuck is a coyote girl and why do they come at a premium?

 

This is a post from Orientexpat.com that explains it fairly well - except a bit out of date with regard to barfines:

 

 

Coyote Dancers

Last Updated: 2007-11-28

In recent years, Thailand has seen an explosion in the phenomenon that has become known as Coyote Dancers. Initially, large scale Bangkok discotheques saw the emergence of sexy dancing girls, many of which are University students, dancing sexily on stage of at various high points around the bars. Clothing is skimpy and tight.

The phenomenon has now spread around the country and you're now just as likely to be treated to a Coyote Girl show in a regular hotel bar or disco, where young women dance erotically, often in quite lewd poses.

It important to understand that these are not prostitutes or Bar Girls available for bar fine. Usually, the bars in which they work have a strict policy of not allowing any interaction with customers, other than dancing and encouraging the customers to buy more drinks. This is an important revenue stream for the dancing girls as they often have a quota of drinks to sell. Of course, it's likely that some girls may discretely arrange liaisons with customers.

Pay is low, in the region of 2 or 3 hundred Baht per night, however, earnings can be far higher when customers tip the girls for the dance... and the salary is boosted by commission from drinks sales. Students that slip into some sexy hot pants for a few hours dancing per week could easily earn 60,000 Baht per month or more... which is more than enough to pay for their tuition and a whole lot more.

However, when this phenomenon spilled over into more public places, such as shopping mall events and various promotional shows, the Thai Royal Family started expressing disapproval and when a motorcycle shop in the Northeast of the country hired Coyote dancers to promote itself at a Buddhist festival, it was a step too far and the Queen expressed her disapproval to the Thai Culture Ministry. This lead to a moral crusade in which the Coyote girls were banned from appearing in public places.

Thailand occasionally goes through these moral panics... but it's unlikely we'll see the end of sexy dancing girls in Thailand, of any type.

 

Typically the Coyote girls are better looking than the standard go go or bar girls. Barfines are higher as the owner (and girls) make more by dancing in the bar generating tips and ladydrinks.  The higher barfine (now and not going with customers in the past) is to keep them in the bar most of the time.